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Millennials complaining about capitalism really should talk to any of the millions of 60+ year olds that lived in the Soviet Bloc
The Soviet union was as communist as Nazi Germany was socialist.
Because obviously Soviet autocracy is the only way to implement it, right?
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Of course not. There's also the Chinese, Cuban, or North Korean autocracy models of implementation to choose from.
And those are 3 states. Wich according to definitions...can't be communist.
It's like calling virgins to prostitutes.
Edit: and one of those 3 is one of the biggest capitalist state in the world, that produces to the other capitalist states. Samsung and Apple, 2 of the biggest capitalist corporations, both are made china.
Their physical products, yes.
Not the design.
You are missing the forest for the trees.
Look at definitions of words.
Look at the world.
I'm portuguese. We have a supermarket company called Pingo Doce. Pingo Doce has their fisical headquarters in the Netherlands...we're they pay little taxes...
I have Portuguese people proud of Pingo Doce and buy all their shopping there..."it's a Portuguese brand"
It was. But not anymore. Not only it's not Portuguese, it robs us, and takes our money to the Netherlands.
You may want to keep saying it is ndeed a portuguese brand of supermarkets...but it simply isn't.
And apple and Samsung...I don't care were they originated. My point is that both are produced in China....a state...we're the workers are not owners of the means of production, but slaves to capitalist corporations.
How the fuck people think china is communist...don't people read anymore? Doesn't definitions have importance?
Because every country claiming to be communist does things like this, or are authoritarian things using Marx's, Lenin's or even Trotsky's definitions of Communism loosely as a method of control or a power grab.
Where is this ideal Communist state that is the exemplar of the pure Communism you're espousing? You've already discarded the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and North Korea. Now you've expanded your exclusionary definitions to include any communist country that manufactures goods for capitalist countries. Well that wipes out even Vietnam and Laos which make lots of consumer and industrial goods for other countries including the West.
To me it looks like you've no true scotsman'ed yourself out of any nation as a candidate.
So you tell me: Where is your communist country you aspire to? Where is your example communism working without authoritarianism or selling to capitalists?
There are also other systems to choose from than just full on capitalism and full on communism… (though I guess that’s what you meant)
A socialist democracy with a well-regulated market has worked really well for the Nordic countries, for example!
Please stop. I live in Norway. Please stop referring to social democracy as socialist democracy. 😭
Social democracy is a system brought about by socialists in order to implement socialism, this is true! But it's also just liberal democracy with strong unions and some steps taken to limit the harm that capitalism can do. Better by far than other kinds of capitalism, but still capitalism.
In many ways social democracy is like vanguard states in that it's supposed to eventually result in socialism, but like vanguard states it fails at actually implementing it.
Jeg kaller sosialdemokratiet vårt hva jeg vil, ok!? 😂 Nah, that was just my brain short circuiting, giving me “socialist” instead of “social”.
You have a more pessimistic view of it than me, it seems. I concur that it has gotten much closer to straight up capitalism the past few decades, with the incessant privatization of the public sector, though. But there are still some pretty robust systems of redistribution in there that we will hopefully keep and strengthen (even if I’m not super optimistic about that myself).
Tenkte du måtte være en yankee fordi det stort sett er dem jeg ser som kaller oss sosialistisk :P
Social democracy is unfortunately decaying worldwide. It has managed very well and has created good working and living conditions in many countries (often by simply exporting hard work to third world countries, so it's not as good as it seems on the surface) , but now we see a slow and steady increase in wealth inequality. We see more rich people in socially democratic parties and we see them privatize much more as you mention. It's not just happening here, but everywhere.
I think it ultimately is because the socdem countries must still deal with the rest of the global economy and the influence from foreign companies. The spread of misinformation and propaganda from capitalist hellholes doesn't help either and undermines peoples faith in public services and unions. Additionally the incentives from a capitalist economy are simply not compatible with democracy in the long run, and so socially democratic parties are doomed to drift right as grifters, rich people, centrists, and others enter the party. Political parties I think will always become worse with time.
I was a kid when USSR fell apart, and it was good, but I was a kid, so in many cases I didn't know better or my parents protected me from the bad things in our life. Still, remembering some details, now I understand how fucked up the system were. From the top of the head:
So, generally, plan economy fucked up the choice and the quality of items, and some stuff wasn't available at all (if you are not an "important person" with access to special stores, or people travelling abroad. I'm not saying that not knowing what "kiwi" is until mid-90s was a big problem, but it shows how bland and uncomfortable your daily life could be.
Gives experiences, gets downvoted. Lol makes sense.
the rise and fall of any socioeconomic system looks the same. it's what happens in the middle of it functioning that's important.
Math does this one weird trick. While one is inside the exponential part of the graph, the slope is slipping the same at every point. It's all going cray cray faster than ever before, every moment the whole time.
Granted, the exponential part can't last indefinitely. But the point is... you don't know where you are on it, when you are on it. It's literally self-similar and without natural scale.
You are aware you are on it though, correct?
Yep!
Think Willy Wonka "The rowers keep on rowing and there is no sign that they are slowing!"
No, not gonna think that. If you're cool with abstaining from democracy by staying in the boat, cool.
No idea what you think my point is
Agreed. Incredibly unclear what it is.
Or, we are trying to stop it before we become Russia…. Boomers are voting for it.