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Following the "voluntary" scanning added in the latest EU Council Chat Control vote, what is a realistic option for a family/friends chat? Is self hosting your own Matrix/DeltaChat server the only opt (piefed.zip)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Blaze@piefed.zip to c/privacy@programming.dev

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https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/reality-check-eu-council-chat-control-vote-is-not-a-retreat-but-a-green-light-for-indiscriminate-mass-surveillance-and-the-end-of-right-to-communicate-anonymously/

By "shared" servers I mean hosters like https://tchncs.de/en/ who offer a bunch of services (they do a great job at it by the way) including Matrix and Lemmy.

I'm thinking of moving my close family to a Matrix chat over there, but I guess long term they might have to implement the ChatControl scanning.

This whole thing is just stupid.

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[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Moving away from WhatsApp might reduce how many people can access your messages, but you can still assume your messages will be scanned and indexed no matter what app you use

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm actively looking at used Pixels with GrapheneOS installed, they aren't that pricy these days, but even without those already getting rid of the app-level scanning would be an improvement.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you get a Pixel with GrapheneOS preinstalled, please please PLEASE do your own fresh installation of GrapheneOS anyways. You can't trust what some third party may have done with it before you get it.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

Of course, that's the plan. Having it preinstalled is just to make sure the device was able to run it before I reinstall myself.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

I beat you to the punch there 😉

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

GrapheneOS probably a big step for reducing the number of people with access, I think

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's definitely going to be context-based:

I don't mind getting used Pixels for my parents and my sister
DeltaChat allows to create several profiles, so I can at least have one profile dedicated to chats with my family where everyone uses a secure device
for other stuff, I accept that it will be scanned, but it's less critical

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wy do you assume opensource apps will scan your messages?

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't, but I assume closed source components and/or human error will leak all my messages