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The best electric busses have electric lines overhead, so you don't need big batteries.
It’s never enough for you people.
People love to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. They oppose incremental progress and preserve the status quo as a result.
Everything converges into either crabs or trains.
It's not about being enough. Battery powered busses are very expensive and baterries need replacement and maintenance. Trolley buses are a cheaper investment in the long term. So it's frustrating when new projects choose baterry buses instead of trolley buses. It always feels like corruption to me.
Trolley are better in a lot of cases, but not in all of the cases.
Trolley busses are also much better for steep inclines!
A lot less versatile and a lot more disruptive to the community.
Not entirely against them but I dont have them a the gold standard.
Then you need to cable all the roads of bits networks. That seems expensive. Incidentally the tram line my city is building will be battery powered for part of its route, as they're not allowed to string pantograph wires in one area. It's mostly on wires
The cost is wayyyy less than letting cars on the road. And continuing the climate catastrophe
It may seem expensive now but long term it pays off by having to not replace batteries as well as many external factors that good transit provides. I find the bigger pushback against overhead wires is how they look.
Kinda hard to do that in the suburbs.
Strong disagree. If you have telephone poles by the road, the power is already there
Power poles in the suburbs here (Canberra) run along back fences, they only exist near the road where they cross a road
Sydney might be able to hang wires over the road from it's power poles; no idea if the poles are up to it
Of course they need to install overhead lines. But the power is already there. That's the hardest part
No telephone poles anywhere near my house. Only along main roads at least 30 mins walk away.
All the household electrical wiring, internet, cable TV, telephone, natural gas, and water services are underground.
So yeah...power is already there
Yeah and it’ll cost millions to tear up the roads and install overhead wires for the bus, just to service 1 neighbourhood out of hundreds, where hardly anyone uses public transit as it is.
Well, that's kind of the problem we're trying to fix here
There are lots of people who use public transit in my city, they just don’t live in the suburbs.
Well, that's kind of another problem we're trying to fix here
They’d have to tear down all the tall trees in the neighbourhood to make room for the power poles. There’s no way in hell the car-centric folks who live here would approve of that!
When you walk down the sidewalk around my street you walk in the shade of these trees most of the time. Replacing those trees with ugly power poles and overhead wires would ruin the character of the neighbourhood.
Quite so. Catenary wires work best in dense areas
Don't you realize how much it will cost us to not do that?
Sometimes we get stuck in local extrema. The biggest challenge facing the human race is not climate change, it’s collective action. Simply put, we’re unable to cooperate effectively enough on a large scale to be able to deal with these sorts of problems.
My city could invest billions of dollars in building a fully electric streetcar transit network and climate change could still proceed largely unabated due to the actions of other people in other areas. In that scenario, my city ends up losing because climate change happened and we wasted all that money on a system that didn’t stop climate change. This is the worse possible outcome so the rational thing (on an individual level, see game theory) to do is avoid it by doing nothing.
But.. But think about the battery megacorps!