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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Fuck them all. Especially Kaine and Fetterman.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

But they HAD to! The shutdown was so UNPOPULAR that democrats all LOST in the most recent election!

/s not because the sarcasm isn't obvious, but because I don't trust centrists to not ignore the sarcasm on purpose.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The shutdown was so UNPOPULAR that democrats all LOST in the most recent election!

If you think that the FEDERAL shutdown was a major issue for the Mayor of New York City (who had been leading in the polls for months) and the governorship of New Jersey and Virginia (where the polls had also been clear since before the shutdown), you're out of your gourd.

Or bullshitting in bad faith, as per usual.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

If you think that the FEDERAL shutdown was a major issue for the Mayor of New York City (who had been leading in the polls for months) and the governorship of New Jersey and Virginia (where the polls had also been clear since before the shutdown), you’re out of your gourd.

If you think that the voters didn't respond well to a party that was finally pretending to start stand up for them, you have no idea how branding works. Well, at least they capitulated like they do on everything but genocide support, so healthcare subsidies are going away. So it's a win for you. Democrats existing brand, the one everyone but centrists like you were pissed off about, is maintained.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you think that the voters didn’t respond well to a party that was finally pretending to start stand up for them, you have no idea how branding works.

The same voters who increasingly blamed the Dems for the shutdown as it's dragged on?

I'm sorry that you live in a fantasy land instead of the real world. I understand that the reality-based community is deeply offensive to you.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The same voters who increasingly blamed the Dems for the shutdown as it’s dragged on?

I suppose we'll see if capitulation makes them more popular.

I’m sorry that you live in a fantasy land instead of the real world.

Says the guy who is trying to convince people that capitulation is a good thing after the party was rewarded for standing its ground.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Says the guy who is trying to convince people that capitulation is a good thing after the party was rewarded for standing its ground.

Is it that you can't parse what I'm saying, and thus have no choice but to fill in the blanks with fantasy; or is it that you find it more satisfying to tilt against windmills?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Is it that you can’t parse what I’m saying,

I'm not buying your pro-capitulation bullshit. None of it. Democrats were more steadfast in their support of netanyahu's genocide than they have ever been about healthcare.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’m not buying your pro-capitulation bullshit.

I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks, but that’s fucking different from pretending that this was a popular shutdown.

Sorry, was that too far back for you to remember?

Democrats were more steadfast in their support of netanyahu’s genocide than they have ever been about healthcare.

Where the fuck did I say otherwise?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sorry, was that too far back for you to remember?

No, I just don't believe you. You claim that you don't support them while supporting them by making excuses for them. Actions speak louder.

Where the fuck did I say otherwise?

Oh. I see. You're defending useless democrats because they were more steadfast in support of genocide than they are for healthcare.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No, I just don’t believe you. You claim that you don’t support them while supporting them by making excuses for them.

Lord.

Actions speak louder.

... except my only action here has been to write words.

But I suppose "Words are louder than words" might reveal how intellectually vacuous your entire position is.

Oh. I see. You’re defending useless democrats because they were more steadfast in support of genocide than they are for healthcare.

Lord.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You're getting nitpicky. But you're right. Making excuses for the people who capitulated like you wanted them to is words, not actions. Your words excusing them put the lie to your claim that you don't support them. Excuses are support.

If you don't want to be treated as an apologist, don't engage in apologia.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

fetterman isnt surprising he made pretty known like a year now. the other 8-10 dinos felt safe to come out of the woodwork to show them they are really DINOS.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, that's why fuck him especially. He's been a piece of shit for a while.