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You are responsible for your child. Until they are 18, they are an extension of you. You programmed them. No excuses.
This doesn't jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have "programmed" me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.
The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.
Is leaving your gun lying around where a 6 year old can acquire and use it to shoot someone one of those sinifificant uncontrollable elements?
No, because the existence of some uncontrollable elements doesn’t erase all the controllable elements.
This woman did something very wrong and controllable, which is why she’s in prison.
Just because you don't like guns doesn't mean you should ruin some innocent person's life over it. Law should not be about power and crushing your political opponents.
That being said, it is very likely that she was neglectful of her child if he is 6 and wants to shoot his teacher, but honestly that's something I could see myself doing when I was 6. I hated being in school, and from the kids perspective he is basically being forced into slavery by the state, and the teachers are making it nearly impossible for him to live his life as he wants. It's not all that crazy when you realize that people have different perspectives. We live in a society where killing is considered bad, but we also normalize the idea of basically forcing children into prisons. I don't think the kid is wrong. He is being forced there against his will, and obviously he doesn't want to be in that class if he is willing to kill his teacher, but idk the details. There could also be some dumb or immoral reason for doing it. It's very likely when they are 6. There is really no good reason for a 6 year old to be away from their parents. Its too young and we as a society have become so greedy that we are willing to accept these things so people can buy more stuff. One of the parents should be raising a child and not working if they are having children. Our society has failed Inca big way by doing this and it causes all kinds of negative effects on society.
I think if there was a warning that the kid had a gun, the principal probably should have taken it from him and called his mother and asked why their kid is bringing guns to school? Definitely seems like mostly a failure of the administration, but since the mother in in prison for four years, I'm assuming she was a drug addict or something and not feeding or comforting her child, which probably exacerbated it, but then again just speculation.
I guess the point is, from my limited knowledge of the event, just a headline, it seems like things probably worked out correctly in the case.
Sure but neglected child is always going to turn out worse than one that was properly loved and taken care of. You can't just go oh well child psychology is complicated, so let's just ignore the parents responsibilities.
Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.
Not everyone is qualified to be a parent.
“Breed”
Getting a clearer picture now.
Do you? Or do you just want to feel a certain way?
Nobody knows how parenthood will turn out, my friend. Nobody is qualified to decide who is qualified... Good.
I agree. And if it ends up that you weren’t qualified, that might be a jail sentence. Good.
A six year old is very unlikely to fully grasp what they are doing, and a parent wouldn’t necessarily “think their kid might shoot someone”.
Yes I agree. However, a six-year-old child does not randomly get the idea to take a gun to school and shoot a teacher. They get it from somewhere. They may not fully understand, but that doesn’t matter. I’m just happy that parent is in jail. I hope they do not get released early, and I hope they do not ever get to be that child guardian again
I guess it depends on the household. I could say my mom did a great job at educating us. My siblings, mom, and I hold very similar values.
I sense that "child neglect" and "federal weapons" chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.
Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don't leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available...
The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn't just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.
Of course he's not criminally responsible for that because he's six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn't turn into a monster.
Yeah, those parents def fucked them up bad..
I suspect that's what the gun charges are for. Proper gun etiquette is not to keep the damn thing loaded.
I had my first two guns in my room when I was 6, but that was the 90s. I wasn't allowed to play with them for the first few weeks until my parents were sure that I knew how to handle them safely. This was a time before the internet though and people didn't really have these concepts of guns being some evil and super dangerous thing. A gun is only really dangerous in the hands of a bad person or someone who doesn't know how to handle them properly. Where I grew up it was just considered a fact of life. The younger you could get kids out in the woods hunting the better. I would bring home squirrels and rabbits to eat when I was like 7-8 years old. This was just the norm for most of human history but modern humans have lost touch with these things.
The only thing my dad really taught me was to check a gun every time I picked it up, to never assume it was unloaded. To make sure I knew what was behind what I was shooting, so I didn't shoot someone's house, and to keep it unchambered until I need to use it. Those 3 basic rules were good enough for me. I knew they were dangerous and to not play with them too much.
“You programmed them”?
Really? That’s an extremely naive take.
No, you just strongly agree because you’re obsessed with babies.
What a weird response
Weird response is taking the side of not punishing the parent for the child’s actions.
Tell us more!
This thread is going places, gather around kids.
If it was her gun (which it was), yeah this makes sense. If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something? idk its a wild world.
That's what a jurry would consider after both sides have made their case.
I guess this is my sign to start dumpster diving
If one is to reach for the most unlikely thing to happen to base their opinion on, then I suppose that you have a point.
I know a kid who as a teenager beat his mom with his fists, the problem with the "parents are always in control of their kids" idea is its a fantasy. At some point you will end up blaming a victim.
Reasonable precautions should always be made: gun safes, therapy, etc. Kids frequently are smarter or dumber or nicer or meaner than their parents and its always gonna be that way.
I don’t remember anyone saying that parents are always in control of their children? If I am driving a car and I let go of the wheel… It is going to crash.
Please, take some time to come up with another bullshit excuse to justify your feelings
If you want to be pedantic, I suppose “got the gun from another kid” is more reasonable?
If the case was that this kid got the gun from another kid Who got the gun from home: The kid who pulled the trigger, and the weapons dealer, all of their parents should be put in jail. All of their parents Should not be able to be guardians of another child in the future.
It is always the parents’s fault.
This seems overly knee jerky. So if good parents have a kid who shoots a teacher, with a gun that came from another kid at school, those good parents should go to jail?
You realize six isn’t old enough to know what they are truly doing. They don’t grasp life vs death, they would likely not even see “shooting the teacher” as anything more than play before they did it. It’s exactly for this reason that we don’t hold children accountable in the same way we do adults.
Are there outliers? Absolutely. But to just make a blanket statement that every adult involved should go to jail is an extreme I just can’t agree with.
Please teach your children that if another child hands them a firearm in school, to not take that firearm and deliberately shoot the teacher. I think that’s parenting 101
I am perfectly fine with the child being put in jail, but I think you would probably disagree with that.
Yes, I realize that six is not old enough to know what they are truly doing… But that does not excuse the parents. That’s the whole thing I’m saying. This is my opinion. There are zero things you can do to change my mind. It is perfectly fine that you disagree with my opinion, I don’t disrespect you for not sharing my opinion.
My dude, if you think telling a kid not to do something means they won’t do it, you’re obviously not a parent.
You can’t reasonably assume a kid isn’t going to do something at six. Even if you’ve told them not to do that thing every day of their life. It’s why child locks exist. It’s why kids end up in the hospital every day.
In a perfect world you could just type out on a keyboard “Johnny isn’t allowed to go in the pool area without an adult” and he’d listen. in the real world Johnny wants the ball, and it’ll be real quick, and mommy is busy, and he’s bringing the dog that counts, and oh shit Johnny drowned.
My homie, Telling a child not to steal bubblegum from the store, or open that cabinet, or pull the dogs’s tail… Are all things I would expect a child to ignore
I agree that six years old is really too young to expect them to understand anything… Which is why, when something serious like this happens… The parents have to be punished.
We can keep arguing forever. This is how I feel, and I respect that you feel the way you feel and I have no interest in trying to convince you to feel the way I feel. Please understand that there is zero possibility that I, at this point in my life, I’m going to change my opinion about humanity.