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A bit over a month ago, a user posted in !main@sh.itjust.works to propose defederating from maga.place. That post was followed by a discussion in !agora@sh.itjust.works a week ago, which seems to have gained some traction. In response, we're going to hold a vote on the matter. Voting will be open for one week, through Friday, November 7.

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https://sh.itjust.works/post/48420886

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Similar discussion at lemmy.ca: https://sh.itjust.works/post/46502305

Other fediverse instances are also defederating: https://sh.itjust.works/post/48111431

The instance's page at Fediseer: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/maga.place

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[โ€“] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
  • trolling, spamming, and otherwise not following the rules in our communities, consistently
  • allowing illegal content, like CSAM
  • refusing to take action against bad actors from their instance

The big names we defederated from in the past violated some or all of the rules above, such as hexbear and explodingheads.

[โ€“] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I see, so on-site behaviour.

Is there any situation where MAGA as a movement more broadly can be qualified as causing harm (I get the impression that you don't believe that's the case currently)?

Or is it more that we shouldn't treat a random MAGA supporter as intending to do harm?

I've lived in both russia and the US for multiple years. We left russia as soon our situation allowed us to. We were constantly harassed by police and had to deal with pretty harsh racism (even though our papers were in order and we all speak fluent russian and understand the interpersonal culture very well).

The US has become just like russia with security services harassing non-whites, beating people and jailing people even if their documents are in order (and even jailing and deporting citizens!). My mother is in shock that this happening in the US (she hasn't lived there, but she has visited many times and has been to multiple cities) and it's becoming like russia.

In this context, why is it wrong to treat MAGA and its supporters as causing harm? Or do you disagree with the framing of the above paragraph?

Then there is the international context; promotion of corruption, promotion of far right parties (including criminals and open racists).

Why shouldn't that qualify as causing harm?

One could argue that the rank and file MAGA supporters don't know about this or didnt intend to cause harm. But my answer would be that alleged intent or lack of knowledge is not important. It's outcomes that count.

Mind you this not meant as a gotcha. I have friends of 15-20 years that I am still very close with from both sides of the US political aisle (i.e. one group supports Trump, albeit with exceptions on some issues).

I've had people on Lemmy call me a bad person for continuing to be close with the group that supports Trump. To which I replied that they are not bad people, they are not fascists or nazis or whatever (it would make no sense considering my mixed ethnic background) and they will come about.

So there is a measure of nuance to my perspective and I will add that MAGA is not the same thing as conservative in the broader context. The fact that most people who call themselves conservatives in the US are supporters of the MAGA movement speaks more about the US than conservatism in general.