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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

what Ive said is all true. if you disagree, explain why.

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

How could I agree or disagree if I have no reasoning for your position? You made the claim that veganism is amoral, that's an uncommon and interesting position. I'm curious about your reasoning.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

i explained my reasoning. it's not a moral duty. it's not immoral. it's amoral.

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I disagree with your line of logic then. Something doesn't need to be a moral duty to be moral. It's not a moral duty for a poor person to donate to charity, but being charitable is a moral act.

Similarly, you can probably point to edge cases where the following line of logic cannot be applied broadly due to people's circumstances.

For me personally,

  1. Livestock animals are sentient, they display a preference to live and be free from suffering and confinement.

  2. I do not need to purchase animal products to be healthy and happy.

  3. In the absence of necessity, intentionally confining, harming and killing animals is not morally justifiable.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

in the absence of necessity, intentionally confining, harming and killing animals

almost no one does that, whether they are vegan or not

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

The industries that I choose not to financially support do, hence why I don't support them.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

there are three categories: moral duty, amoral, and immoral. if we can't agree on that, you are not qualified to discuss morality.

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

There are also moral virtues.