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they're both ethical choices. like in the trolley problem, pulling the lever or not.
Curious to hear your explanation for how being non-vegan can be more ethical than being vegan. I've heard some people make interesting cases for this, by the way, but I've yet to see one that can be practically applied as an alternative to our current food system.
boy, that's not what i said.
Help me out here then. You said being vegan and not being vegan are both ethical choices, like the trolley problem.
In the trolley problem, an ethical case can be made for pulling the lever or not, so I thought you were saying an ethical argument could be made for both being vegan and not being vegan. I was curious to hear your argument for the latter.
Can you elaborate on what you actually meant?
right. that's not the same as saying one is more ethical.
What's your ethical argument for not being vegan?
there is no ethical duty to be vegan. so not being vegan is a valid choice. the choice to be vegan is amoral.
Are you saying that morality does not factor into how humans treat animals?
that's not what I said
You keep making claims without elaborating on them. If you just don't want to talk about it, that's cool.
what Ive said is all true. if you disagree, explain why.
How could I agree or disagree if I have no reasoning for your position? You made the claim that veganism is amoral, that's an uncommon and interesting position. I'm curious about your reasoning.
i explained my reasoning. it's not a moral duty. it's not immoral. it's amoral.
I disagree with your line of logic then. Something doesn't need to be a moral duty to be moral. It's not a moral duty for a poor person to donate to charity, but being charitable is a moral act.
Similarly, you can probably point to edge cases where the following line of logic cannot be applied broadly due to people's circumstances.
For me personally,
Livestock animals are sentient, they display a preference to live and be free from suffering and confinement.
I do not need to purchase animal products to be healthy and happy.
In the absence of necessity, intentionally confining, harming and killing animals is not morally justifiable.
almost no one does that, whether they are vegan or not
The industries that I choose not to financially support do, hence why I don't support them.
there are three categories: moral duty, amoral, and immoral. if we can't agree on that, you are not qualified to discuss morality.
There are also moral virtues.