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I couldn't follow much from news outlets out of Canada.

Rotten Mango takes us through the deep dive. I think anyone with even a passing interest in Hockey, should give this a watch. But, just as the video warns, for those of you who cannot handle topics of sexual assault, please take care and stay safe.

EDIT: Here's part one.

https://youtu.be/ESBUUa9py80

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

Honestly, this video is disingenuous.

No one is arguing that it can't be SA just because they're athletes, and that had nothing to do with the judge's ruling.

The judge went through the evidence and it seemed more likely that she consented then not.

This is a better article and was extremely easy to find: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0qlwnyy70o

[–] runsmooth@kopitalk.net -5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What's wrong with exploring the details of a high profile case involving Hockey players sexually assaulting a woman? I think the videos are well researched, and together form up 3 hours of well thought out detail.

I point out that this is a deep dive into the issue, and you roll up with a BBC article that probably takes 5 minutes to read.

Also, I watched the videos, and there’s discussion about how badly the case was handled from all fronts; and, there’s treatment on how netizens have some consensus that there was very little likelihood that the charges would result in convictions because of how the laws are.

I won’t go over all the highlights. A few points raised for me were:

Criminal law standards vs morality standards - I felt that the video also distinguished the issue of the court's formal finding of guilt or innocence based on a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. They even went over the moral issues that arose when exploring the culture of sexism in the Hockey players online "bible", consent, and even the pinch points on evidence that were in favour of either the Hockey players and the complainant.

What’s society comfortable with issues of team sports and toxic behaviour? We're being reminded about the ugly side of Hockey culture and whether we want these players to be flaunting their wealth and power around in this way. Or should they pay a price? Who should trust these roving packs of guys, travelling from town to town, grabbing at booze and women, then rushing home to their well compensated handlers at the first sign of trouble?

What credibility does Hockey Canada have? An organization that's supposed to be hand holding these guys, and upholding some semblance of a honour/conduct system? There's clips of the players making alleged statements to Hockey Canada for conduct over the allegations of sexual assault, and their statements are not even consistent with what ends up out during the criminal proceedings.

[–] runsmooth@kopitalk.net 4 points 1 day ago

For those following the story, this isn't an isolated incident. There's the 2003 "Lamb Roast" allegations, and who knows how many other allegations that have been settled or unreported over the decades.

Whether you feel the 2018 incident with "EM" is an open and shut case, the broader misogyny issue in Hockey Canada and Junior Hockey isn't over.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/names-given-halifax-police-2003-sexual-assault-allegations-world-juniors-1.6560536

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hockey-canada-house-of-commons-committee-1.6533439

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