THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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What the actual fuck are they doing? They caused that accident. I hope this woman sues the living shit out of them.
Looks like vehicular assault to me. Not an accident.
When this is all over, these fascist goons will face justice for their actions. There are accounts of every single action, and the next United States Justice Department will not handle it lightly.
We fucked up by not finishing off the Confederacy in Reconstruction, but in the wise words of the honorable George W. Bush: “There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me twi— you can't get fooled again.”
Funny that you think the brownshirts will face any consequences. You mention Bush ironically, but he's the living example: a war criminal who never faced any consequences from his actions.
excuse me, he was almost assaulted with a shoe at a press conference. If that's not consequences for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, I don't know what is
If I were this optimistic, I'd be the happiest motherfucker on earth.
Unless we show up and start fucking these people up, we're just going to be commenting on these videos until that's illegal and we get scared of that too.
I was wondering about this.
Suppose there was a fair election in 2 years (I know, I know) and suppose the dems won... would they dismantle ICE and prosecute these scum?
G dubz deep cuts
How we yearn for Georgy boy over the current POTUS.
Back in myyyyy dayyyy our installed republican president was a hapless moron directed to give gaffe-filled speeches every day while his vice president was evil incarnate and they both got super rich starting wars and committed war crimes which they got out of by wrecking the global economy and that’s the way we liked it!
Satire has since died, which I mourn.
Cheney also just died, which I don’t.
As crazy as it is to say, Cheney > Trump. Both are absolute terrible pieces of shit, but at least Cheney respected the general societal rule of law and norms. He was just a greedy, power hungry tyrant, whereas Trump is also incredibly dumb, narcissistic, and cruel.
Well except for the war criminal part, and frankly not to get all into it but there’s some shady-as-fuck 9/11 shit he’s tied to that’s just. Trump is worse, yeah. We’ll leave it there.
crash. it's called a crash. there was nothing accidental about it.
Americans can not sue federal "agents" according to US legal precedent and current interpretations of Section 1983
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Well, that needs to be amended. Yesterday.
It won't be. If anything they'll strip more rights away.
Whatever they want. This is what dictatorship looks like, zero accountability to the people. Y'all need to do something about it already or it will keep getting worse until nothing you do can stop it, even collectively. If you haven't even done as much as talk with a friend about the state of things, I don't want to hear, 'But what can I do!?'. Go find people to figure that out with.
Im not so sure they would be found "at fault" by an insurer if im honest.
The damage appears to be on the front of her car, but on the side of theirs.
An insurer would likely find that while the van obviously shouldn't have cut across, the hatchback is at fault.
On the first day with any instructor they will tell you to drive to the conditions. That means that if ICE is present, and kidnapping people, drive slowly enough that you can stop if they cut over into your lane.
That kind of damage would only occur in two ways...either they sideswiped her while changing lanes (which is exactly what the video shows them doing)...or she drove into them at an angle (which is not what the video shows).
Whether or not it was intentional, they cut her off. All she did was drive straight, in her own lane.
I'm happy to concede that I'm wrong about this.
When I was learning to drive my dad told me that if you have an accident, the insurer will assign fault to whomever has damage to the front of their vehicle.
I've done some very brief research and determined that I've been completely wrong about this for the last 26 years. Thanks for that dad.
Oh, man. I probably laughed a little too hard at this. Thanks for that, my friend. I'll take all the humor I can get these days.