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Most of those still rely on some company to host a server, except Briar, and in practice most Briar users are still relying on companies to access Tor to connect.
They are more robust, not perfect.
None of them require a company to host a server. That was my entire point.
Explain how you'd use Delta Chat without a server, please? I may have misunderstood its need for a mailserver when I tried it.
I didn't say without a server, I said without a company-hosted server.
How do you even get a non-company-hosted server now? Public bodies don't host services for outsiders much any more and aren't really safe places for privacy in this type of case anyway.
You run your own or just choose from a variety of publicly-available ones.
Run your own? Great, but you'll almost certainly be getting a company to connect it up.
Publicly available from whom? Companies!
I may sometimes wish community-owned internet became the norm, but it didn't, so companies are involved almost everywhere.
I run several of these services with no company involved.
Publicly available from, as I said, individuals.
I'm sceptical. Name me a server and I'll show you a company involved.
How about infosec.pub?
infosec.pub appears to be in Hetzner Online GmbH's Falkenstein hosting. They probably also own the hardware.
I dunno man, the problem with most private servers is that they're just that. I don't know where they are or who is hosting them. I only know where mine is.