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I think the way in which the chicken is raised ~~doesn't affect vegans~~ doesn't change the vegans stance :p
But, I think it's fair to say that some methods of eating animals are less cruel than others. It's better to get people to eat less cruel than not and better to eat less meat than not. Eating from local farms is almost always better.
Fwiw there's a lot of vegans who chose their stance because of how the animals are treated.
I'm not vegan but it is rather terrible. It's beginning to affect the food, too. Ever notice that a lot of chicken has the grainy/woody issue nowadays? That's caused by the chickens growing too large too fast. Their muscles experience a lot of stress and inflammation, quite often becoming so large they literally rip off of the bones.
If you want good chicken, go to a butcher or buy air-chilled.
You are correct that it doesn't change my stance, and I wouldn't use animal products (e.g. eggs or wool are two big ones people bring up a lot) even if I know for a fact that the animal is treated well and isn't suffering at all.
But also - I agree with you. Buying cheap wool from Amazon vs getting wool from your buddy that has some alpacas as pets is extremely different. Same for Walmart eggs (even free range ones - I have seen free range chicken farms, knew someone who treated their chickens "well" by industry standards and it was.... not great) vs getting them from the local guy down the street who has a hens that their kids play in the yard with.
I personally will never eat even those animal products because for me being consistent in every scenario is a lot easier, and I don't feel the need to justify why eating animal products is ok in certain circumstances - I just don't do it. And I feel like this is a better stance than still finding ways to still consume, but I would be much, much happier if everyone who consumed animal products only did so through such means. That would require that we as a society produce orders of magnitude less animal products, though. It's not normal or healthy for humans to consume pounds of meat every day, and we produce even more than we consume, leading to excess waste. Basically the whole system is garbage and switching to "kind" animal products would be just as, if not more, difficult than just going vegan as a society.
But yes, I would accept any ally in trying to reduce "Big Ag" or whatever people call it these days. We can argue about the most optimal way to sustain a society when we have fixed the things we can pretty much all agree are problems.
Thanks for posting that! I was gonna say most of the vegans and vegetarians I know say similar to what you said. They have a few different reasons for why they're vegan or vegetarian, but they all tend to agree that it's generally better to just... Eat less meat. Not even not eat meat, but just eat less of it. That's pretty easy to do, honestly, so it's easy to give a shot.
Heck, (and I'm not sure if I agree with this), I once heard someone say they were a vegetarian that occasionally eats meat. It's a neat way to think of it, though, and if they eat less meat because of it, then why not? Reframe it, who am I to stop them?
Regardless, I've been trying to eat less meat, mostly because the messaging works. So, keep it up!
I can't go full plant based (medical bullshit) but the times when meat was a seasoning rather than the main ingredient taught me to cook good flavors. I still don't know how to give up butter tho
Don't take this personal, but I just have to:
Thanks for posting that! I was gonna say most of the consensuals I know say similar to what you said. They have a few different reasons for why they're consensual, but they all tend to agree that it's generally better to just... rape less. Not even not to rape, but just do less of it. That's pretty easy to do, honestly, so it's easy to give a shot.
Heck, (and I'm not sure if I agree with this), I once heard someone say they were a consensual that occasionally rapes. It's a neat way to think of it, though, and if they rape less because of it, then why not? Reframe it, who am I to stop them?
Regardless, I've been trying to rape less, mostly because the messaging works. So, keep it up!
Don't take this personal, but I just have to:
You need to let go of the hate, it makes your life miserable. There is nothing for you at the bottom of this, just paranoia and destruction. Go meet some real people in reality, it helps.
I truly am not a hateful person. And i appreciate you eating less meat, it's important and the right thing to do. I get a little impatient with all the babysteps, the apologies and the Bullshit Bingo (long-tap for a reply) sometimes. Because if you boil it down, you are causing a creature to suffer greatly for your pleasure while living in a world where that is not necessary anymore.
I leave you with the Vegan Society's definition from 1944. Please don't reframe this:
Ah, apologies, you are a real person. I also see you are not very perceptive or you would notice I copied one of your own messages back at you. And your reply infers that it wasn't truly meant as a joke, either.
Okay, then here's a question: What kind of context clues did you get that I really wanted you to make vegans look like jackasses? Also, second question: Have you ever convinced someone to be vegan by being a huge asshole?
Because it's not like I don't agree with vegans. But what you did was comment on a chain that includes someone saying that vegans make an enemy out of everyone that doesn't fully conform to them, and you seem to have tried to prove them right. Why??? You have to understand that I assumed you were a troll. Because that kind of attitude is so shitty that it defies reason.
As always these things are complicated. I do not claim to represent any group stance, but the way the animal is treated very much matters to me. How can I argue in good faith against something like Cooperative Payún Matrú, a goat herder’s collective, in the Andes? Their animals are truly free roaming. The animals’ lives are not constant suffering. It’s more sustainable than the way many of my vegetables are grown.
Even though your point of view is reasonable and a good compromise, it still makes you an enemy of vegans. Even though it's moving the world closer to their goals, they'd rather ostracize everyone who's taking measured steps.
I'm vegetarian, I know a bunch of vegans. I don't know if I've ever felt ostracised by any of the vegans I've had a conversation with. I've also got many meat eating friends. We share perspectives with each other and can converse about things like adults (I don't want to eat anything that has a face). I honesly have no idea where the crazy vegans are apart from the news 🤷♂️
I mean, that assumes everyone is vegan for the same reason. I have a friend who runs ultramarathons and she found she recovers faster from a long race on a vegan diet.
I think veganism just self selects for more "crazy" people, because you have to be pretty odd to go against what almost everyone else is doing. That said, I'm vegan and I basically fully agree with what they said.
I don't think that's true for all or even most vegans. Most vegans I know will lightly chide me to eat less animal products, and they'll list the benefits. I'm okay with that, especially because, well... they're right.
I say that because a lot of the vegans I know will explain a lot about the global socioeconomic conditions that make veganism and vegetarianism harder in poorer places.
I dunno, man, I feel like the most they're trying to do is be smug, and that's not that big of a deal to me, lol.
I'm happy you have good experiences then! Might be regional tbh