Socialism
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic and constructive discussion from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
A certain knowledge of socialism is expected, if you are new to/interested in socialism, please visit c/Socialism101 before participating here. Socialism101 will gladly help you by answering questions, providing resources etc.
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Rules
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith discussion is enforced here.
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such,
as well as condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavour.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Xenial Xerus" when answering question 2)
6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
7. Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Rape or assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
(This is not a definitive list, the spirit of the other rules still counts! Eventual duplicates with other rules are for emphasis.)
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Not him, but feudalism wasn't a state sponsored system in the modern sense. There was no bureaucratic, state-funded army or police force enforcing property rights. Each Lord maintained their own. Also, private property didn't really exist. Land was held in a feif. Feudal institutions were set up to maintain feudal obligations and social order based on land tenure and status or whatever, not to protect private property or markets.
I think you are reading a bit too into a single word quip to a leading question; asked by someone who doesn't particularly seem to be open to discussion, based on their use of slurs.
If you strictly adhere to modern concepts - whose rise is after the advent of state capitalism and intrinsically tied to it - you are obviously not going to find a counterexample to the question. It is however, also wholly unsatisfying, as it is by technicality: you would both be requiring something to adhere to (and follow) modern concepts and precede modern concepts.
As such, make an analogy where things are sufficiently similar, so that the primary point still stands. If you consider the soldiers and guards under nobility as a state funded (tax funded) group to protect them and their interests and land (their fief) (for example of the merchants they associate with) as private property; things still line up.
The point is that people in power sending muscle after those they don't like to protect their interests and those of their group wasn't invented with state capitalism. It is just state capitalism is returning to its feudal roots.
Ok but it still wasn't a valid answer.