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To say that the UK is currently Labour led is like saying Germany from 1933 - 1945 was run by socialists (national socialists as it were).
Their name means fuck all when their actions say the opposite.
Labour (at least in the UK, I don't know about AU) is not a socialist party, though at times it has had some socialist members and MPs.
And, regardless of that, there have been numerous socialist and social-democratic parties that have been authoritarian, not just the center-left. Left/right and authoritarian/non-authoritarian are independent dimensions.
-Labour Party Rule Book, clause IV.
(I'm not claiming the PLP are democratic or socialists, merely pointing out that they are breaking their own rules, and they they publicly claim to be socialist)
Aye, that's true. My point was just that to claim the UK is Labour party led (in contrast with Italy's neo-fascists) doesn't really work as a contrast because they're not really contrasting. The UK's current Labour party is authoritarian, pro-capital, pro-austerity, anti-welfare state, anti-immigrant, anti-freedom of expression, anti-protest, anti-democracy, pro-Trump, and (indirectly) pro-Farage.
They're not the Labour party any more (although that's been obvious since 1997 when they rebranded as New Labour) but to those who don't follow UK politics they still have the marketing of socialists, of pro-welfare state, of being pro-democracy and pro-worker. That is not the case, and they probably have more in common with Meloni's Brothers of Italy, neo-fascist party, than they do with 20th century Labour from which they are so closely associated.
"No true Scotsman..."
Which party, anywhere in the world, has been true to their word once in power?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attlee_ministry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_government,_1964%E2%80%931970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_government,_1974%E2%80%931979
I heard good things about Labour post war (from Gary's Economics) but put it down to war recovery.
Didn't know about the other terms, thanks. That's quite a list of achievements.
Here in Australia we saw a bigotted Eddie Booth in BBC's Love Thy Neighbour(1972-1976). He was a fanatical Labour supporter. What was that about?
Edit: That was the joke, says AI: "The show's humor relied on the irony of Eddie's political alignment versus his personal, racist attitudes."