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[discussion] Proposal to defederate from maga.place (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works to c/agora@sh.itjust.works

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I saw that a post was made in !main@sh.itjust.works about defederation about a month ago, an admin commented to make a post here to discuss defederation, but the post was never made.

https://maga.place/ is very obviously a small community with no real substance to it, but I saw an antivax post to !science_memes@mander.xyz and was surprised it still exists.

Anyways I don't really have a lot to say but uh, I recently hit a full year on this great instance 😊 (old account @TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works)

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Yes, and that's why I'm making my case for not defederating. I don't like their content, and honestly wouldn't be sad to see them go, but I'm against defederation decisions being made based on political views, and that seems to be what's happening here.

FUD going on over this is more enough to show that it should be defederated.

Weird, I came to the opposite conclusion. Here's the process I followed:

Saw the post in main asking if we should defederate, and I pointed them here
Saw voting thread pinned and saw only yes votes
Looked at the post body and the linked posts and saw zero evidence posted
Looked at the actual instance and saw a bunch of conservative talking points and very little discussion or votes; total users were 26 or so, and they pretty much only had a conservative community

The negative impact to users seemed exceedingly small, since they didn't even have engagement on their own posts, and I haven't seen anyone discussing issues with the few users they have.

So why defederate? This seems like a bunch of people virtue signaling over pretty much nothing, mostly based on the domain (WTF?), and somewhat based on conservative views.

I think we should stay federated on principle to remind people that civility has value. We don't want to be like Lemmy.ml that bans people over content critical to the CCP or Russia, and how is defederating from this instance any different?

Maybe we need to defederate later if their instance causes issues, but then we'd be absolutely justified.