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For all the people who don't understand how time works.
Noon is supposed to be at 12:00. Let's say someone lives in a place where that is literally true. If they lived on the equator then sunrise would be at 6 am and set at 6 pm. If it is the equinox anywhere on the planet would be sire at 6 am and set at 6 pm.
If they are far enough north or south that the shortest day is 10 hours or less, then the sun will rise at 7 am and set at 5 pm. This includes most of the US and Europe. The sun setting at 5 pm during the winter is normal.
The primary issue, at least in the US is that the typical workday of 9 to 5 or 8 to 5 has 5 hours in the afternoon and only 3 or 4 hours in the morning. Being afternoon heavy means getting dark at 5 seems early, especially after the stupid DST shift making it seem like evenings should have even more sunlight. We basically changed society based on banking hours and are angry that time works the way it does and instead of just shifting working hours to what we want we pretend that the sun is the highest in the sky at 1:00 pm for part of the year for no logical reason.
Shortest day is like 6 hours here.
Even high schoolers don't see daylight, let alone people with jobs.
Most of the US is considerable more to the south than Europe. Remember that Naples, a city in the south of Europe, is on the same latitude as New York City, as city in the Northern part of the US. So you can't easily transfer experiences regarding this from one to the other.
It is just dark in the winter in large parts of Europe, and no amount of clock fiddling is going to change that.
Getting dark at 5? Lucky.