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A team of physicists led by Mir Faizal at the University of British Columbia has demonstrated that the universe cannot be a computer simulation, according to research published in October 2025[^1].

The key findings show that reality requires non-algorithmic understanding that cannot be simulated computationally. The researchers used mathematical theorems from Gödel, Tarski, and Chaitin to prove that a complete description of reality cannot be achieved through computation alone[^1].

The team proposes that physics needs a "Meta Theory of Everything" (MToE) - a non-algorithmic layer above the algorithmic one to determine truth from outside the mathematical system[^1]. This would help investigate phenomena like the black hole information paradox without violating mathematical rules.

"Any simulation is inherently algorithmic – it must follow programmed rules," said Faizal. "But since the fundamental level of reality is based on non-algorithmic understanding, the universe cannot be, and could never be, a simulation"[^1].

Lawrence Krauss, a co-author of the study, explained: "The fundamental laws of physics cannot exist inside space and time; they create it. This signifies that any simulation, which must be utilized within a computational framework, would never fully >express the true universe"[^2].

The research was published in the Journal of Holography Applications in Physics[^1].

[^1]: ScienceAlert - Physicists Just Ruled Out The Universe Being a Simulation

[^2]: The Brighter Side - The universe is not and could never be a simulation, study finds

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

I don't think they're ruling out any possibility of other weird ways our universe exists--I think they've just ruled out that we're in a much higher frame rate version of the Sims. Whatever reality is, it's more "real" than a simulation as we understand it. We could still very well be a cosmic ant farm for a higher form of life, and our universe could be contained in an infinitely large fish bowl, but it's at least not a bunch of 1s and 0s.

That being said, they're making some common assumptions. If you want to get really critical, you have to do a Descartes, which turns out to not be very helpful.