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[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

Counterpoint: a woman taking birthcontrol is empowered because she is taking charge of her own reproduction. She doesn't have to rely on or trust the man to take his pill. After all, she would be the one bearing most of the burden in case of an unwanted pregnancy.

Additionally, purely biologically it is much easier to reliably stop conception on the female side than on the male side. A woman only produces one egg cell per month, whereas a man produces millions of sperm cells per day.

[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Counterpoint to your counterpoint- no form of birth control has a zero percent failure rate under perfect use conditions and not all women respond to all forms of birth control well meaning pregnancy capable people cannot take perfect control of their family planning choices without the extreme surgical intervention of a hysterectomy as even getting medically sterilized in other ways can potentially undo itself. Doubling up from both sides means a much lower chance of failure rate resulting in life changing or difficult consequences and distress on behalf of the partner who faces higher risk outcomes.

Doing your part in a relationship's reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn't be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy. Stoking division of the sexes over which one is more nessisary is counter to the real point. These are tools couples can use together to be safer.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Barrier protections are great - but have one of the highest perfect use condition failure rates against pregnancy. If you used them under perfect condition correctly every time there's still a 2% chance of failure every time...

Typical use however like, people hurrying, using bad technique of application or removal, improper sizing, not inspecting them before use or using expired product or other sundry defects of the condoms themselves means condom's real life failure rate condition is about 18%.

Not to knock the condom but it's not foolproof. Even paired up with the pill which has a decent track record when under perfect use conditions but one of the highest rates of imperfect use because of missed or improperly timed doses you still are rolling the dice.

Let's lay some ttrpgs here. Everytime you have sex under that pairing it's like you are rolling two individual dice. Let's take the typical use of condoms and the pill. Roll a six sided die to represent the condom and a 10 sided die for the pill. If both die show up with a 1 then you get a pregnancy. Not bad odds until you realize this is repeated every time you have sex.

Adding another die to the equation in the form of a hormonal birth control for the other partner alters the chances to be more airtight. Also sometimes you as the male partner might want assurance because you generally don't know of your partner is taking their pills right.

That doesn't change the problem with original post its just more antimale bullshit that this site is flooded with, "Men are the ones that need birth control not women!" "You a man and don't want to end up baby trapped? Either refuse sex or sterilize yourself." I'm completely fucking done with it, I grew up a second class citizen in my own family because I was born a man I'm not putting up with any of it anymore! Stop justifying dog whistles and hate

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