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He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 108 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (37 children)

This reeks of bullshit by ICE, they can't verify citizenship from a face, because AFAIK there is no database of citizenship faces.

It is way more likely to be run against for instance criminal arrest photo databases.
There may be other segments they can take from like military and DMV, but they can't say that because they don't have a photo match that people aren't citizens.
It can only in a very limited percentage of cases confirm citizenship, and most of those will be people who have papers like a drivers license on them already.

This is probably part of the ongoing scare campaign, and serves very little practical purpose.

[–] NaibofTabr 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

TSA has been scanning people's faces at security checkpoints for several years now. I've been opting out every time because I figured building a facial recognition database was the end goal.

they can't say that because they don't have a photo match that people aren't citizens.

Sure, sure, until they start doing it and no one stops them.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh I didn't think of airports. Thanks for pointing that out.

until they start doing it and no one stops them.

They'll do whatever the fuck they want, nobody is really stopping them.
Yes there are attempts and local heroes that do, but from an official side very little is being done.
And any official that complains about it, immediately becomes a target for the administration.
This fear campaign is far from only against immigrants, it is also to pacify Americans.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

DMV, court house, tax offices, post offices, Ring...

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Apart from DMV that I already mentioned, they don't have pictures of your face.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

All of Facebook and Twitter and Youtube via Palantir?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Opting out how? They have automatically-assembled video footage of you from the moment you stepped out of the vehicle you took to the airport up until the moment you walked off the jetway onto your flight.

[–] NaibofTabr 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Oh, that's true, but I'm talking about the direct face scan they do at the security line, which you have the right to opt out of.

There's still a big difference between security camera shots at a distance with random lighting and a specifically designed face scanning camera pointed directly at your face from two feet away with good lighting.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

I wish I shared your optimism, but I’ve seen what cameras are capable of seeing from literal miles away, if enough money is spent. I guess it comes down to weather or not any of the uncountable trillions of dollars the pentagon won’t let you audit have been spent on cameras specifically meant to surreptitiously capture your face from across the room when you “opt out”.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Opt Out" is basically just a "Pweeese don't scan my face 🥺", it doesn't have legal weight, I mean this admin doesn't really follow rules anymore.

[–] NaibofTabr 3 points 5 months ago

No, in this case it literally means you don't stand in front of the face scanner and have your face scanned. I'm talking about going through the airport security line, where they have the face scanner device.

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