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You don't understand, we NEED to be on AWS, there isn't really another choice.
You don't understand, we NEED to have your phone number in our private messenger.
You don't understand, we CAN'T be on f-droid.
You don't understand, we MUST have centralized servers, federation CANNOT work.
Did I miss anything?
https://simplex.chat/
Self hostable as well
Yep.
Either this or Matrix, XMPP or even IRC. Anything but Signal basically.
Yet Signal is what people here usually recommend :/ I don't even want to argue with them anymore.
Signal is whats recommended because it's the least confusing for newcomers. Matrix can be difficult for new people to use (especially people coming from Discord) due to how disorganized rooms can be. Spaces can help somewhat but they aren't in any way perfect. Matrix is still leaking chatroom metadata from emoji reactions.
XMPP suffers from having a smaller userbase than Matrix, which already has a small userbase. (almost no FOSS projects use XMPP over Matrix)
and I'm not sure why you would recommend IRC for privacy/security in the big 25. Thats an odd drop.