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The OOP may not have directly said it in their original post. But when people talk about young men "falling down the alt-right pipeline" it is generally referring to how thoroughly targeted that entire like 12-18 age bracket is with right wing propaganda. You're usually talking about kids that aren't old enough to know they're being taken for a ride yet. So while that person may have been referring to like... idk 18-22 year olds that's such a huge outlier in the usual discussion that it should be clowned on.
idk much about the guy you're talking about, but as someone with a 14 year old that I've had to teach to navigate this propaganda he's accurate in this instance. The way the right talks to these young men is insidious, and the kind of sentiment OOP is espousing here does nothing to stop young men being pulled rightward.
12-year olds aren't "young men."
Vaush is a proven misogynist creep. So it should come as no surprise that those of us who know what he and his (so-called) "dirtbag left" ilk really is all about - ie, reactionary shitlibs masquerading as leftists - doesn't buy it when he suddenly jumps to the defence of a demographic that wasn't even a part of the discussion.
Respectfully when I know for a fact that what this guy is talking about is happening because I've watched it happen to dozens of kids that age in my life and constantly see it in my own feeds because I try to keep my privacy at least a little so the algorithms can never decide if I'm a teen gamer boy they should push Neo-Nazi shit to or a newly out trans girl I could not give less of a fuck what your definition of "young men" is. In fact I think young men is a pretty fair generalization for dudes that could very well be beginning puberty depending on the person. If you're claiming they weren't part of the discussion when they very clearly need to be I think that's a problem.
Feminists have been talking about this for more than a hundred years now... yet a reactionary grifter says it to score cheap points in an attempt to strawman his opponent and now you all want to die on this hill?
I'm starting to think the way it looks is the way it is.
If you agree that it's happening, why do you minimize the statement by saying that 12 year old boys aren't young men? Is it really so hard to leverage a win from even an imperfect messenger? I feel like if I disliked a guy but he happened to be saying a correct thing I'd leverage it into getting people to care about my cause.
Like maybe leading with how feminists have been talking about how reactionary forces prey on young men to perpetuate the patriarchal structure? Rather than saying fuck this guy he's bad the person he's responding to didn't even mention 12 year old boys. Like... if we both agree that the right going after 12 year old boys is a problem, why are you sitting here arguing about some "reactionary grifter" that made up not even a quarter of the post?
The person you're replying to is just trying to frustrate you.
Yeah I started getting that feeling when they went from 12 year olds being entirely unimportant and nobody was talking about them to saying feminists have been talking about this for a hundred years but I only care now because some reactionary grifter is saying it.
This shit frustrates me so much about the Online Left at times I swear. It feels like so much of Online Lefty politics is fucking LARP, and virtue signaling. Like a lot of these people's politics begins and ends with "Well I'm already doing the Good Thing™ so I shouldn't have to engage in this. Everyone else is The Problem and should just do the Good Thing™ like me."
He's such a small part of the entire text that taking his statement as anything other than a jumping off point to start with feels a little silly.
Unfortunately, once in a rare while asshats can start a reasonable conversation.
Your terminally online personal bias against him is completely coloring over the point being made. It's a good point, but you're fighting it not because it wrong, but because of who said it. You can't attack the point so you attack the person with niche hyper-parasocial bullshit.
Go outside.
Why would I attack a point that THE ENTIRE LEFT ALREADY UNDERSTANDS VERY WELL and has done so for a very long time?
Your enthusiastic defense of a white supremacist and a misogynist has been noted, shitlib.
LOL you honestly think that Vaush is a white supremacist? Holy hell.
Go
Out
Side.
For what it's worth I haven't heard that, he's just a creep who likes loli horse porn and has such terrible judgment that he doesn't separate his work computer from his goon computer.
I agree with his take in this image and don't think him being gross and having bad judgment disqualifies him from making those good points. But I also agree with the dirtbag left shitlib take, that's a solid take about Vaush. That should be Vaush's tagline honestly.
I think people like Vaush occupy an important space in leftist pipepline structure. Wokescolds hate it, purity test leftists hate it, but if you want to de radicalize some of these extremists, you have to give them an avenue to do so.
Young men like people like Vaush, like Hasan, like Destiny. I don't like all of them, (I really don't like Destiny because he's a zionist defending shill), BUT the left needs people like them. Kids aren't going to turn on Sam Seder or listen to an hour long deepdive vid. And it's not just young men, I should say, MOST people are politically disengaged, they're not terminally online, they're not consuming hours of political theory..... They want to hear a hot take, watch some cat videos and fart. You can hate that, but that's like most people, they're not into politics like that.
When we finger wag people for not "doing politics right" they aren't going "oh, apologies, let me try again to meet your standard"... No, they're going say "fuckyou" and start watching Aidan Ross, or Tim Pool or Asmongold.... that's not moving the needle in the way you want.
As far as the "Vaush Bad/Vaush Gooner" stuff, I don't know, I don't really give a shit enough about it. Maybe it's as bad as people say, or maybe it's just overblown because people LOVE to attack lefty streamers. Case and point, everyone losing their shit to jump on the "Hasan shocks his dog" story. Maybe it's true, but a lot of it feels manufactured... so...
Don't disagree at all, political streamers in general are teaching young people how to get news and how to critically read it more than they are acting as propogandists. Just making younger people engage with logical argument terms (no matter how they are used initially) is a net positive.
I have no problem pointing at the brands that's these people have self inflicted by being chronically online and chronically filmed. Like I believe Hasan is introducing more people into politics than any left wing person in... I dunno maybe history. His viewership is crazy. I belive that is a net positive, as is his advocacy of Palestine.
But his visible, self-filmed behavior with that dog looked sus AF. Like I have no doubt it's well treated, a million people have confirmed it at their own risk of catching the eye of the mob. But that clip looked really fucking bad. Like I get why people are outraged. And the more outrageous something is, the more famous the person who did the outrage, the farther that will travel.
Ooooh... shitlib can't recognize a white supremacist unless they're wearing a white hood, eh?
Colour me surprised.