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Do techbros that complain on the Fediverse about people hating on AI realize it isn't just here that hates AI? (sopuli.xyz)

submitted 1 week ago by supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz to c/showerthoughts@sh.itjust.works

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Everyone pretty much hates it, its just here is one of the few places online where money and stupidity can't be waved around frantically to hide that.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

But they'll still be vastly outnumbered by the people who see the program do the thing and merely think 'Neat.'

I think this category is shrinking much faster than the AI ingroup thinks, and most people are moving from this group to the group that defines AI as an adjective that means "shitty and trying to manipulate you while being utterly unhelpful and wasting your time".

It is honestly disorienting that techbros are oblivious to this, especially for kids the meaning of AI in their lives is quickly becoming "the shitty sloppy thing".

Things are at a point where if I walk around on the street and ask random people to "Behave like AI" I am confident most people would start doing shitty interpretations of human behavior with weird glitches and fundamental hallucinations about the basis of the conversation.

This is not what winning looks like for AI....

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is no AI ingroup here. Not a soul on Lemmy will argue spicy autocomplete is-too AGI. But like expanding the word "slop" from the worst nonsense to literally any use, you label anyone who disagrees an oblivious techbro. 'You hate it with us or you're one of them' is effective recruiting for a tribalist movement. But it's not an argument.

You can ask randos to "behave like robots" and they'll do jerky motions and harsh voices. They're not gonna follow up with 'Haha, anyway, let's destroy all machinery.' Joking about when Siri misheard you didn't start the Butlerian jihad.

Ask people what they've done with this. Will it match the cocaine fantasies of Sam Altman? Of fucking course not. But you'll find people who recognized value in this slightly stupid science fiction. The guy who built a two-billion-frame-per-second camera took jabs at the model which wrote all his code - but he still used the thing to do the thing. I was surprised to hear him mention it at all, because y'all have made it such an identity razor, people hesitate to admit when it's worked.

Even talking in terms of winning or losing is deeply conservative. It's software. And it will at least half-ass a bewildering variety of tasks, just by asking, in plain English. You can describe video into existence, and there's an overconfident minority who think that's completely useless, because its wine glasses are half-full.

Do you remember when people hated CGI? Not bad uses. Any uses. Pointing it out became criticism. Now it's just another tool. If anyone's still mad that How To Train Your Dragon didn't rely on puppets, and turns to go 'Right fellas?,' the fellas are long gone.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Do you remember when people hated CGI? Not bad uses. Any uses. Pointing it out became criticism. Now it's just another tool. If anyone's still mad that How To Train Your Dragon didn't rely on puppets, and turns to go 'Right fellas?,' the fellas are long gone.

... have you never talked to fans of movies and tv shows?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Outside of self-selected back-patting subforums, none of them think computer animation is what ruined Wish. Nobody gets mad about the special effects that work. Not anymore. That kneejerk response has vanished, even though the tech is more common than ever.

Absolute opposition used to be so widespread and vocal that it felt universal. Now nobody really gives a shit.

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

my parents were against animation and it felt unfair to me growing up that i couldnt watch animated shows :(

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Right, any use of "nobody" has an implicit asterisk over the fact some people are nuts.

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I think this category is shrinking much faster than the AI ingroup thinks, and most people are moving from this group to the group that defines AI as an adjective that means "shitty and trying to manipulate you while being utterly unhelpful and wasting your time"

Yesterday, my 7yo criticized something by saying it looked like AI.