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Explanation: While somewhat exaggerated (by the Imperial era, a Roman loss of 15,000 men was history-changing, while in the mid-Republic it was 'merely' devastating), the Romans put a great deal of effort into preserving and retrieving their standards - when one was lost, it was considered a major blow to Roman pride and prestige, and entire military campaigns were undertaken in hopes of retrieving lost standards. Follow the eagle!
Thanks for the explanation but I would have guessed that the Imperial army had more men since it covered way more territory than the Republic. Then losing men in the Republican army would be worse. Can you explain?
Sure thing! Essentially, the Imperial Roman Army was a much more 'refined' machine than the army of the mid-Republic.
In the mid-Republic, what effectively happens every time the Republic needs to raise new troops is they send out a call for the citizenry of the city of Rome to line up according to their class, magistrates pick a bunch of young men who are already armed and trained (as militia, by their fathers and community, as is traditional), and then decide what to do with them. Typically they'd put them through some additional drilling and training, but most of the work is already done, and the troops are largely used as-is - it is a citizen levy in the truest sense, calling up troops from the citizenry as-needed. Not only that, but the nature of the wars of the mid-Republic meant that there remained a sense of danger - exceptional measures like enfranchising non-citizens could be resorted to if there was a disaster because all the voters would be suitably terrified of having their lands plundered and their families murdered if the war went badly.
Effectively, then, calling up more troops has a distinct political cost, but with the constantly changing fortunes of elected politicians, as long as the war seems sufficiently important (or can be spun as such to the electorate), the Republic can continue to call up troops until it collapses entirely. During the Second Punic War, it's estimated that ~20% of the adult male citizen population of Rome was killed. By comparison, during WW1, around ~15% of the adult male population of the major belligerents died before the will to keep fighting collapsed in the Central Powers.
During the Principate, the period of the Roman Empire as most people think of it, the Legions were a largely volunteer force. Rome doesn't say "Citizens of the Eternal City, come to the Field of Mars to be chosen for military service!" That's not how it works anymore. If the Empire needs more troops, it largely has to convince people to volunteer (with a few exceptional incidents of conscription excluded). And furthermore, much of the recruitable population is scattered across the Empire in Roman colonies, instead of ~90% of it being in or within a few days' march of the city of Rome itself. So that means organizing new recruitment drives is a much more involved, expensive, and time-consuming endeavor. You've got citizen colonies everywhere from Spain to Africa to the Levant to draw on, sure, but getting a fresh batch of recruits from each of them takes much more time than a week and a few dozen mounted messengers.
Not only that, but the whole "Citizen farmer trained to fight by his dad" is not only pretty dead amongst the working class of the Empire, but is in any case insufficient for the highly refined military machine of the Principate. Now legionaries are put through a battery of checks - they must be the proper height and health, they must be of good moral character, and so on. After that, they're intensely drilled and trained over a matter of months, and Roman discipline is a distinctly unpleasant experience which most people will not enjoy. If they get through all that, then they are ready to be legionaries - a system which resembles modern military training more than "Call up the citizens and hope they know which end of a sword is which".
Now, that means that the Legions of the Principate are an intensely menacing machine - you very rarely see them lose pitched battles except against the Persians (they never really managed to figure out how to decisively counter Persian armies), and their additional utility in things like engineering and policing duties is also a major advantage. But it also means that any losses sustained are difficult to replace - prospective recruits must be found, they must be convinced with a mixture of persuasion and the promise of monetary gain, and then they must be filtered and trained to maintain the overall excellence of the Legions.
Additionally, only Roman citizens were permitted to enter the Roman Legions, so much of the territory that Rome had absorbed could not immediately contribute to the Legions - only after a few generations do citizen populations in the province become large recruitment pools for the Legions. It's roughly estimated that half of the Roman Empire's military forces were legionaries, and half were 'auxilia', provincially-recruited troops who were awarded citizenship after their term of service. Non-citizens outnumbered citizens to a greater degree than this, but the tendency was to keep the prestigious citizen Legions around the same size as the provincial Auxilia, presumably to maintain the military dominance of the citizenry over provincials. The Auxilia were put through pretty similar training and recruitment standards, though conscription was used regularly in addition to volunteer recruitment.
So basically, the mid-Republic could pull additional troops out of its ass anytime it needed to, because the 'low-quality' (compared to the Principate; Roman infantry was always well-regarded) troops were already 'there' and felt like if they didn't fight, they and their families would be killed anyway by the enemy; while the Empire needed time to replenish troops, because it needed to find them, convince them, train them to a higher standard, and keep only men who were highly motivated to serve a ~20 year term under military discipline even while being posted on some godless and unpleasant frontier of the Empire stomping barbarians to protect provincials they had no connection to.
And if things go wrong, if there's a disaster in the Principate period, what happens is "Everyone back at Rome wonders if it's really worth bringing Civilization(tm) to these far-off savage frontiers and starts asking the people in charge very uncomfortable questions about where their sons and tax money are going" instead of the more mid-Republic reaction of "Holy shit, everyone is now donating their jewelry and we're going to give everyone we can find a sword so Rome doesn't end up sacked and enslaved"
Very interesting, thank you! In terms of percentage, I understand that the Republic could raise a large part of its population compared to the Empire but do you have info in terms of absolute numbers? Do we know for example the largest single battle loss during the Republic and during the Empire?
Losing 40 thousand men during the mid-Republic which had approx. 300 thousand free male citizens at the time (I think?) sounds like it could crush the country. But it is "only" 13% of the male population. As you said it could go up to 20%.
Large scale war is devastating. Glad to be in a peaceful country (for now).
Cannae in the mid-Republic - between 50,000 and 70,000 killed, though some of those would have been Italian allies. The Republic carries on the war despite those (and previous) losses for another ~15 years.
Carrhae in the Late Republic - 30,000 lost, most of them Romans. The Republic ends the war despite losing several Legion standards. This is particularly notable, as the war against Parthia was condemned by many in Rome as an unjust war, and a priest called the wrath of the gods down on Crassus (the commander and instigator of the war) before he left Rome. The legion system at this point is closer to the Empire, being largely volunteers, but still with a much lighter recruitment burden - troops serve less time, and are trained in a more ad hoc fashion.
Teutoburg Forest in the 1st century AD - ~15,000 Romans lost in three Legions, possibly a similar number of auxiliaries. Emperor Augustus resorts to conscription in several Legions (who would later cause trouble, on account of not wanting to be in the Legions) in response to this crisis. Rome embarks on a series of punitive campaigns to avenge their deaths and retrieve the Legion standards, but abandons the entire occupied area of Magna Germania in response to the loss.
Battle of Lugdunum in the 2nd century AD - Unknown total losses, but suggested to be in excess of ~30,000. Civil war bloodletting, so the casualties of both sides get counted as Roman losses. The pay for legionaries would be increased by ~50% after this, certainly to shore up the victor's popularity, but also likely as a recruitment inducement to replace losses.
After this, things head into the Crisis of the Third Century, and everything gets fucked. By the end of the Crisis, troops are no longer being paid regularly, they're just empowered to take whatever they need, and landlords are obligated to give the central government pseudo-serfs as conscripts for lifelong terms. Utter breakdown of the Imperial system for a gruesome and despotic replacement.
Thank you so much for such a detailed answer. I definitely learnt something today
Always happy to spread a little of this idle trivia I've gathered over the years!