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I mean, why? They accepted a government contract, they didn't do anything wrong.
IG Farben agreed to supply canned pesticide to the Nazis. It was just a government contract too. And guess what: they found out it was a poor business decision after the war.
IBM just supplied some accounting machines to Weinmar Germany (they knew what they were counting).
Only 13 of IG Farben received prison terms, from 1.5 to 8 years, then received senior positions on the successor companies after.
And Amazon provides services for government websites through AWS, are you thinking everyone is going to abandon every product that uses AWS as well? Or are we just targeting low hanging fruit?
To be entirely clear, that would be ideal. AWS is far too powerful for anyone's good
everyone? no. someone? yes.
Are you asking if we should boycott every company doing business with (or bending the knee to) the fascists in D.C.? Then yes, we absolutely should. Target, T-Mobile, Palantir, Apple, Amazon. Fuck them all for selling out the American people.
The ones that we viably can, sure. That might change depending on the person, and their needs.
Totally. But I'd submit to you that these aren't normal times where we can just go about our business ignoring politics and using whatever products/services happen to be convenient. Unless each of us individually fights back against the fascists by doing our darnedest to avoid products and services that fund fascist collaborators, we are complicit. Put another way: It is in our power to bring down this regime, and one of the biggest levers we have for doing that is changing our buying habits.
I doubt we could find many sites that don't have some ties/business with the U.S. government. I assume most of Lemmy has ties to AWS or Cloudflare who both support government sites. Lemmy.world uses Cloudflare.
My point was trying to get some random llc shutdown doesn't do anything. All that will happen is people looking down at others while really supporting much larger bigger-issue companies.
It's not about purity testing; it's about harm reduction. I'll give you an example. T-Mobile is directly collaborating with both Trump (via Trump Mobile, which runs on T-Mobile's network) and Elon Musk (via a T-Mobile/Starlink partnership). That's pretty fucking bad from a fascist collaboration perspective. Are Verizon and AT&T any better? A little. They still donated to Trump's inauguration, but at least they're not running mobile networks for him. (EDIT: Or paying for his fucking ballroom.) So would I encourage everyone to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T or Verizon, even if that's not a perfect solution? Absolutely.
I just think it's a really specious argument that "everything we buy is connected to the U.S. government and therefore no purchase is better or worse than any other purchase." That just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
As for putting pressure on the construction company tearing down the east wing of the white house.. I dunno, that seems like fair game to me. We can leave negative reviews for them while also cancelling Amazon Prime.
The government is a small part of Amazon's giant business and most of it is just continuing on from before the government went fascist. This company is making a significant portion of their work destroying the fucking White House under a shady plan. There's a reason this single act is getting more attention than Amazon hosting government servers.
I think it's a lot more accurate to say these companies were enabling it rather than some random llc that bid on the contract. It would make more sense to stop using all of their services/products.
" dinner for potential donors held at the White House on 15 October included senior executives from prominent US companies including Blackstone, OpenAI, Microsoft, Coinbase, Palantir, Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, Amazon and Google.
Also present was Woody Johnson, the owner of the New York Jets NFL team, and Shari and Edward Glazer, who, together with their siblings, own both the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Manchester United.
A pledge form seen by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, suggested that donors could be eligible for "recognition" for their contributions. While plans are still being finalised, that recognition could potentially take the form of names etched into the structure."
A principled construction firm does not destroy national landmarks. This isn't a blind contract, they knew what they'd be doing. I really don't know why you're going so hard for them. It's not that complicated.
Maybe the same outcome of the construction workers on the Deathstar II?
I fully expect they're buddies with Trump somewhere high up or they wouldn't have been given the contract.
Aside from the obvious nazi collaboration points I think that any person. Or any company. Or any thing, entity, etc etc that works for, or with, the orange rapist should not only get boycotted at the very minimum. But also to be ridiculed and investigated with a fine toothed comb.
The tactic should be to find out what other dodgy shit they are doing and bring them down in every and any way possible.
Why go to these extremes, you may ask. Simple, if the kiddie fiddling conman had had this treatment in the 80s and 90s then he'd not be able to get away with his shit now, and none of this would be happening now.
With the huge added bonus of numerous women and kids not being sexually assaulted and raped over those years.
When it comes to investigating Donvict Drumpf, his actions, and his collaborators then the question isn't why, it's why not.
as did someone building concentration camps. you have free will to accept or don't accept any contract and live with consequences.
but to put your mind at ease - i am pretty sure that customers of such companies don't hire them based on google reviews, so don't worry, the demolition company is probably safe.
It's a ball room, not a concentration camp. Critizing the companies who take contracts for core civic or whomever agreed to build that prison in Florida to lock up immigrants would make sense, but this just seems dumb to me.
At the absolute least, building a grand ballroom in the middle of a government shutdown while you're depriving people of wages and healthcare is not a good look. And collaborating with the wannabe dictator doing this, even if it's just to make them look good and not to actually kill or disappear people, is kind of shitty too. I think it's fair game to go after such companies; they're part of the support network keeping the regime in power.
If Hitler had survived long enough to see his (and Albert Speer's) vision of Berlin fulfilled, would you be ok with the contractors who decided to work on those projects?
Google is actively funding the project, and we go to Google services to help fund Google to "rebel" against this 1 LLC, even ignoring the other complany who bid on the contract. I get why people think they should boycott them, but no one here will be contracting this company for anything.. so why not boycott Google, Microsoft, and Amazon who are actively enabling this regime. (All paying money towards this ball room being built)
People are. You can boycott more than one thing at a time.
When you accept a government contract from a fascist government then you did something wrong.
"I mean why? They were just following orders, they didn't do anything wrong"
Hahaha you should leave a review saying something to that effect.
Following illegal orders is the thing they did wrong, Cletus.
There were no proper authorities issued to demolish the WH. The agencies that do those authorities, weren't even consulted. This is an illegal, midnight-style demolition, and I guarantee you that the demo company does NOT have the correct permits. If Donny 2 Inches issued the order, it is an ILLEGAL one, and obeying illegal orders (paying attention, ICE cunts ?) is no excuse in a court of law.
While I agree with you, every permit giving agency would have to be under the executive branch and thereby deemed reporting to the president according to the supreme Court rulings at this point. He's a king in all but name. As soon as he decided to "lift" the sanctions on Russia by simply ordering/dissolving the entities that were supposed to upkeep the laws made by the legislature, he should have been impeached by the house, and removed by the Senate. Yet the Senate would not vote to, so everything he does on federal land (a lot of D.C. because Republicans refused to allow it to be a state) has no one to argue his actions oppose the laws of another body, and thereby have near no protections against his actions.
While i disagree, i'm shocked how many other people disagree too, but bever when they invade other countries, because these vrave war criminals never have achoice and just do what they're told.
People here compare this to providing poison to murder people. Simply deranged.
Is is amazing how easy it is to locate people who are complete moral vacuums. You are a shit person.
This is how "the left" can not win. Antagonizing the most niche, far away thing and then saving things like that when someone disagrees.
Your idea of "winning" is to sell your soul, and be inhuman.