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Quick, let's sell this US funded tech to the Chinese or Japanese or Germans and not actually benefit from home grown research. This has happened so many times over the decades it's disgusting.
Wouldn't this benefit everyone? Presumably the implications are far wider and more important than who makes the most profit from it.
Not if capitalists have anything to say about it.
Then why shouldn't "everyone" be funding it??
Funny how the same people who (rightfully so) complain about privatizing profits but socializing risks, don't see a problem with research that will benefit everyone should maybe also be funded by everyone.
If one group is funding that research, then you better believe they should be the ones who overwhelmingly see it's benefits.
Japanese government has a huge investment in battery tech alongside toyota and other Japanese companies. Solely to boost their economy in the long term
Yeah when other countries do it, it is seen as a smart move to help their country and employ their own people for years to come.
When the US does it, it is somehow demonized as being "nationalist" or labeled as being greedy capitalism or some other negative term.
You know you have the top comment right now, right? I think most everyone agrees that the US should be seeing the benefits of its publicly funded research - except some buttsore Europeans who will never miss an opportunity to piss on / armchair general the US.
Not that I care about internet points, but I have a -3, so if that is the "top comment" then how badly downvoted are all the other posts?! LOL
And I know a bunch of Europeans will be a little bitter, but the worst are fellow Americans who have this angry anti-American chip on their shoulder. I'll be the first to say that we need to fix this, that and the other thing, but there is a ridiculous anti-American sentiment out there that covers anything and everything dealing with the US. You can hate on politicians like Trump - guess what, so do it! - but they do not represent the US and what the US can be.
I’m talking about your “quick let’s sell this….” comment at the top level.
Many large discoveries by research in Australia in universities and CSIRO didn't get funding they needed in Australia, and the engineers and researchers simply found funding and moved to the United States. Then the US benefited from all that education and university research investment simply because the economy and startup funding was better.
I guess you know America is on a downturn if they see the same thing happening to them.
This is what the US does to Swedish companies, only with the added benefit of running them into the ground (I'll never forgive what they did to Saab)
Oh please, who are you kidding? SAAB would have been dead at least a decade earlier if GM didn't try to save them. The only reason they lasted as long as they did was because of GM's injection of money into the company.
They are still a thing, just not in the car world.
So you claim that SAAB was already lost when GM heroically decided to step in and do some charity?
You are very wrong and of course GM saw a value in SAAB that was more intellectual property than manufacturing cars.
Yes that notably cheap Japanese and German labor is going to undercut Boeing.
Japan has access to lots of cheap labor in Asia, and the Germans have Eastern Europe which has salaries a fraction of what Germans get.
Which is becoming rather untrue more and more. An good engineer in Wrocław costs about the same as in Germany. So many factories and offices there, it's hard to find people...
Source: am German, have a competing plant in Poland near Wrocław