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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 152 points 2 months ago (23 children)

Really, really hoping Mamdani doesn't turn out to be Obama 2.0.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 132 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

That would require Zohran to be ideologically liberal. I think it's pretty clear from a number of litmus tests that he's a socialist. It's much more difficult to go from being a socialist to a centist. Ideologically, being a socialist isn't merely a step to the left of liberal. It's a fundamentally different worldview which resembles American liberals in a few areas but only in appearance. E.g. both a liberal and a socialist might advocate for universal healthcare. The liberal feels that private healtchare is a defect of an otherwise functioning system. The socialist sees the system working as intended in that it enriches the oligarch class via private healtchare. Therefore the socialist sees public universal healthcare as removing a revenue stream from the oligarch class, diminishing its power in the process and reducing the scope of the capitalist system. The improvement to people's lives naturally follows as a consequence of that. From this perspective, it would be very difficult for a socialist to be convinced they should abandon universal healthcare because insurers would lose too much money like Obama did.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago (5 children)

He says he's a socialist.

Democrats say a lot of things that sound really, really good too... until they're elected, and then we realize they're shit-stains.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong and that could totally be the case but again, he's gotta be a really good actor to keep the socialist line when being grilled on some issues. It's certainly possible that he is. But I think he's leftist schtick is very different than Obama's. Only one way to find out. Vote for him if you're in NYC. 😁

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I badly want to be wrong, but there's something about these supposed progressives that changes when they get into office and suddenly are confronted with the possibility that they can 100% exploit their office to give their family generational wealth.

So while I'm cautiously optimistic, most of me is very 'I'll believe it when I see it'.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 34 points 2 months ago

I believe it's the progressives who realize they're an extremely small minority within the DNC, so you must swallow a few bitter loads to get certain stuff you believe in through while making backroom deals you would never do.

Ultimately it is up to the American People to shift the Overton window to the left. It is possible, but won't be easy as Democrats cave to Corporations and the media being billionaire owned doesn't help when you're a progressive.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

So while I’m cautiously optimistic, most of me is very ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’.

Pessimism of the mind, optimism of the will.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This guy all ready comes from a well off family so it’s not like that I don’t think.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

He says he’s a socialist.

Obama explicitly and repeatedly stated he was a capitalist

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The dems trying to take him out is evidence that he's real

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I think part of that is true and part of that is that they just don't get enough votes to actually do things.

Especially as just a Congressperson you can't change everything all at once. You don't have the same influence as a president. So you pick your battles.

People here get disappointed they didn't get enough done fast enough and then vote red in the next election hoping for faster change.

Well, we got faster change. Never seen change as fast as this.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Can we hook him up to a dynamo? Free, clean energy.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago

Free?

McCarthy spins faster

It would also require a group of Republicans with the power to gag him every time he tries to do something.

Years ago, I saw a list that someone compiled of all of Obama's campaign promises and the results of them, and basically all but one he tried to do and was voted down by Republicans who threatened to shut down the government if Democrats tried to push it through. The one thing he promised and didn't even attempt to do was shutting down Guantanamo Bay. For everything else, the Republicans who controlled both the house and the Senate for 7 and a half years of his presidency shut him out. There's a reason that Trump spent the first two years of his presidency repealing every executive order that Obama made. Besides being racist and upset that a black man held any power in this country, of course.

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[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 32 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Given a lot of his known history, I have enough confidence to say he's a real one, unlike Obama.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

To my knowledge, he does not have the ability to drone strike anyone. So we're safe on that count

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

An African-born Muslim Socialist?

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