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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 46 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I am soo glad that NFTs quickly died out.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They were killed by metaverse which was then killed by AI.
Actual cool tech like VR got wounded pretty bad in the process tho.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

VR is still a solution looking for a problem.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You never played Half Life Alyx I guess

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I haven't but of course I'm aware that VR gaming is a thing. My point is that VR has been touted as the "next big thing" for decades but still isn't more than a curiosity for the average person. There is still no "killer app" in sight that might change that.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Vr in pass thru mode is what the future will look like.

Half Life Alyx for one of the coolest games I've ever played story and mechanics wise, things like Blade and Sorcery are hands down some of the most run I've ever had playing games.

You want to feel cool? Jump from a ledge and land on a golem's back, panic-drop your dagger, grab the hatchet at your belt and bash the golem's crystal, rolling away from his tantrum. And that game doesn't even HAVE a story (it does..but it doesn't)

That doesn't even bring up any of the cute platformers I'm less keen on, or the various exercise-type games disguised as fighting (i love you, Rumble).

I don't play VR exclusively, hell it makes up less than a fifth of the time it spend on games as a whole, but damn if it isn't the most engaging medium for me.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

uses for VR:

Gaming, mostly gaming

horny Furry hangout (VR chat)

Some 3d design processes are easier in VR

Porn

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Horny Furry Hangout?

Sold!

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

First person shooters and boneworks.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Large scale Construction.

Companies can save millions in redesign costs by spotting problems before they are built.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why do you need VR for it, and not just explore it on a cheap screen?

If you are a civil engineer with excellent spacial visualisation and familiarity with the 2D IT tools (e.g. Autodesk), then VR doesn't add much.

But for everyone else, the VR interface is like inspecting the completed project, and interaction requires only a very small learning curve.

VR is a game changing client UI tool for the construction industry.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The fact that most everyone conflates NFTs with shitty pixel art is a result of purposeful brand sabotage of technology that could have revolutionized democracy had it been given the chance to mature before the underlying tech was dismissed as a joke instead of a tool.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think I know where you are going with this, but please explain your point about how NFTs could benefit democracy.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Verifiable, tamper-proof identity.

A core democratic problem is identity verification, proving one person = one vote without exposing private data. NFT-like cryptographic tokens could serve as self-sovereign digital IDs: issued once per citizen, cryptographically unique, and impossible to counterfeit. Unlike centralized ID databases, these would live on public blockchains — auditable, portable, and resistant to authoritarian manipulation or “ghost voters.”

Result: Transparent voter rolls, secure remote voting, and disenfranchisement prevention without needing to trust a single government-controlled database.

Transparent, auditable voting systems

Instead of ballots locked inside opaque government software, votes could be cast as time-stamped, anonymized NFTs, each representing a verifiable choice tied to a unique citizen ID token. The entire election could be publicly auditable in real time without revealing individual votes.
You could mathematically prove:
that every registered person voted once,
that their vote was counted,
and that totals were not tampered with.

Result: Radical transparency and trust restoration in electoral systems.

Direct, ongoing participation

Democracy often stagnates between elections. NFTs could enable continuous micro-governance: Citizens hold governance tokens (not speculative coins, but non-transferable “participation NFTs”) that let them propose or vote on local policies, budget allocations, or community initiatives directly. Smart contracts could automatically enact results, cutting bureaucracy and ensuring accountability.

Result: A living, participatory democracy, not one that only awakens every four years.

Civic ownership and accountability

Public assets — from infrastructure projects to environmental credits, could be represented as NFTs tied to shared ownership. Citizens would literally own a verifiable stake in public goods. This could link taxation, policy, and transparency in new ways: if a public project fails or funds are misused, the token ledger shows exactly where accountability lies.

Result: Citizens become shareholders of their government, not subjects of it.

Culture of transparency and provenance

NFTs create permanent records. Not just for art, but for laws, political promises, and government spending. Imagine every campaign promise, policy draft, and legislative vote minted as a verifiable public record, impossible to “memory-hole.” The historical record of governance would be immutable, traceable, and publicly accessible forever.

Result: Institutional memory and transparency that can’t be rewritten.

In essence

NFTs, stripped of the hype and speculation, are about trust without central authority. Applied to democracy, they offer a framework for identity, accountability, and participation that is verifiable by math instead of by power. That's why silicon valley went out of its way to make them into a joke, and judging by how reviled my comment was, here of all places, they were clearly very successful at it.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Soo e-voting?

No.

Just no.

E-voting is and always will be a terrible idea.

A democratic system fails if you can't have voter secrecy, which is impossible with electronic voting.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I understand where you're coming from, but millions this last US election cycle don't even know if their vote was counted. Transparent voting is the only way to restore confidence in the democratic process and ensure that there's no tampering on either side.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What happens when I lose my key in a flood or fire?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Then recovery depends on social trust instead of blind authority: multi-party recovery, community validation, or decentralized custodians could restore access without any single entity holding power over you.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

So, exactly the same way as the current system of presenting identity documents at a local government office.

Edit: and before you take the time to write up an essay explaining what a web of trust is, I implore you to actually learn how our current system works. It’s not a central authority, it is already a web of trust.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Local ID systems are a web of trust, but only within a single jurisdiction. Blockchain identity aims to make that trust portable, interoperable, and resilient to failure. It’s not about replacing government offices but about ensuring verification still works when the local system is gone, corrupted, or inaccessible.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Voter fraud in most countries is a solved problem. Doesn't mean we shouldn't innovate, but it does mean that everything you posted is a solution in search of a problem.

Honestly, I feel like this is part of a profoundly anti-social wave of throught that has been manifesting lately. It's the same breed of 'I can't trust anyone' that results in preppers - it's just that some recognize that functioning water treatment plants are good to have. The lack of trust in communities and traditional governance is a bit... alarming, honestly.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Voter fraud in most countries

Most countries

Cool story, bro.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How could NFTs revolutionize democracy?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I answered this more thoroughly further up, but to put it concisely, NFTs could revolutionize democracy by creating verifiable, tamper-proof systems for identity, voting, and governance. They could enable self-sovereign digital IDs for secure elections, transparent public ledgers that make every ballot and budget auditable, and non-transferable governance tokens that let citizens participate directly in decision-making. Even civic assets could exist as shared NFTs, turning taxpayers into actual stakeholders in their communities. In essence, NFTs could shift democracy from trust in authority to trust in transparency.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

voting

No. NFTs are traceable, and key to democratic elections is the anonymity of the vote.

You could screw democracy by relying on this. You cannot anonymise NFTs, because the traceability is a key and defining feature of all things blockchain.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I understand where you're coming from, but millions this last US election cycle don't even know if their vote was counted. Transparent voting is the only way to restore confidence in the democratic process and ensure that there's no tampering on either side.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You are so off. "Transparent Voting" is a tool for autocrats and dictators to pressure people's votes and punish dissidents.

In Germany, everyone can volunteer as an election worker, votes get counted multiple times etc. We don't have a problem with lacking confidence in this regard.

If you want "transparent voting", ask Russia.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What I’m describing isn’t transparency of individual votes, but of systems: a public, auditable record that proves votes were counted correctly without exposing identities.

The goal isn’t to replace systems like Germany’s, but to extend trust where it’s currently broken. Places where citizens can’t volunteer, ballots disappear, or results are unverifiable. It’s not about seeing into votes; it’s about ensuring no one can alter them unseen.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Places where citizens can’t volunteer, ballots disappear, or results are unverifiable.

But NFTs are not going to improve trust in these systems. I don't know exactly how you picture NFT implementation in election systems, but how I see it the feature that would help like this is the reason it cannot work: the traceability. If you want to ensure that each vote is only used once and counted all the way to the end, you need to link it to indiciduals.

Also, there are easier ways to raise trust in elections. Allow foreign oversight. Allow the populace to volunteer and count etc.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fair points, and I agree that transparency without privacy is surveillance, not democracy. The version I’m describing wouldn’t track who voted but would use zero-knowledge proofs or one-time identity tokens to confirm that each verified citizen voted once without revealing which vote is theirs. It’s about verifiable integrity rather than traceability.

You’re also right that civic oversight and volunteer counting are the gold standard. That’s how it should work. The technology becomes relevant only where that level of trust or participation isn’t possible. In healthy democracies, NFTs wouldn’t replace human oversight; they’d simply add another layer of cryptographic assurance that no one upstream can quietly change the math.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who would implement those systems? The same people who do not implement civil oversight and volunteer election work. Why would the same people who block the implementation of the "gold standard" implement your system and why would you trust them with not tampering an electronic system?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They wouldn’t have to. The idea is that such a system wouldn’t rely on any single government to implement or control it. The protocol itself would be public, open source, and globally auditable. Anyone could verify the math, not just the people in power. If an administration tried to tamper with it, that manipulation would be visible to everyone, instantly. The goal isn’t to give them another tool to manage; it’s to make tampering technically impossible rather than politically discouraged.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone would need to say: "This is how we vote now", and someone would have to organise elections around this new method.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

True, someone would have to say that. The difference is that the system could be built and proven independently before any government adopted it. It would not depend on authority to exist, only to recognize what already works.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Wrong. Every elective system needs an authority. That does not mean an authority as in authoritative, but in the sense of an organisation that hosts it.

How would you test an elective system without a government that holds elections with your system?

Why would that someone that says "This is how we do this!" not say "We do it the 'gold standard' way now!"?

Another thought: from what I gathered from your explanations, you'd want to implement a system very similar to the german elective process but digitalised with Blockchain and NFTs. That's not revolutionary, it's just on the same wavelenght crypto bros are surfing for years.

NFT has no practical use in this area. Leave it be.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Every system needs an authority to organize it, yes, but authority and verification do not have to be the same thing. A government could still run elections while the verification layer remains public and mathematically provable. Testing could happen in smaller civic or international contexts before official adoption.

You’re right that digitalizing a working system isn’t revolutionary by itself, but the point isn’t hype or “crypto bro” novelty. The goal is a trust model that doesn’t collapse when the authority running it does. It’s about resilience, not replacement.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So you started out with "NFT based voting systems could bring fair elections to democratically challenged regions" and are now at "NFT based voting systems could build resilience for elections". You do realize how much you moved the goal post here, don't you?

Democratic resilience does not mean a blockchainification of voting systems. Democratic resilience depends on an engaged society, the defense of civil and human rights and vigilant democrats. And education, of course.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, it was always a joke with no real use purpose.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Only a sith deals in absolutes 👀

[–] Tundra@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah but how can you apply monetary value to something you can duplicate by pressing print screen?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, that use case is stupid, but that's not what NFTs are. That's the conflation I'm referring to.