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[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Yeah... and it's a dumb idea. Consciousness is not software.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

But but software can think now, it's totally not copying and pasting together random segments it scraped online

[–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

You don't know that. Literally, you don't. Nobody does. This might be your opinion and that's fine, but stating it as fact is disingenuous

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

That depends on their definition of software. If software is partly defined as something we can create, and consciousness is something we can't even fully understand, let alone create, then they are correct.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago

You don’t know that.

I also don't know whether ghosts exist. Will you go to bat for them, too?

but stating it as fact is disingenuous

Pretending that consciousness is software because movies and videogames portrays it working like software is far more disingenuous, I'd say.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 1 points 5 hours ago

"I call myself a millionaire because I might win the lottery someday"

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

We are legion. We are Bob.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

What I consciousness though?

It's clearly not hardware, if either an emulated brain can be conscious or just pretends to do so is impossible to prove or disprove.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

What I consciousness though?

It's organic.

if either an emulated brain can be conscious or just pretends to do so is impossible to prove or disprove.

The point is moot - the consciousness of the frozen billionaire is non-existent in either case.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

It’s organic

Why? Why could there not be a non-organic consciousness?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 hours ago

Going to take it a step further and say artificial life is just organic life with extra steps.

The concept of robots that continued to evolve post creators is not new to scifi.

In some ways our own body is simply an emergent complex machine of regenerative biodegradable micro hardware.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There maybe could, but it would be a different one from the person. A second consciousness that was copied.

To my knowledge we are nowhere close to being able to actually transfer a consciousness

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Of course we aren't close. But the above poster was making a categorical statement that consciousness must be biological.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The only consciousness we have ever encountered is organic in nature - speculation on non-organic forms of consciousness is pretty much esoteric.

Ie, it depends on your religious beliefs.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Before airplanes, the only form of flight was organic. This was also a firmly held religious belief.

Our ignorance doesn't mean something isn't possible. It just means we don't know if it is possible.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Before airplanes, the only form of flight was organic.

That doesn't help your argument at all - flight was being demonstrated long, long before humans even existed to observe it. Can you say the same for non-organic consciousness?

I don't know about you, but I haven't seen too many scientists rushing to find ways of measuring the consciousness of rocks.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

You are making my point. For millenia, we had examples of organic flight, yet many believed we couldn't mimic that, and some thought it would be an affront to God to try, as it implied his perfect creation was lacking. And yet, now people fly every day.

No, there are no examples of inorganic consciousness at this time, but the same was true for flight 200 years ago. And we have a number of examples of organic consciousness. Scientists know better than to look for conscious rocks, just like the Wright brothers knew better than to look for flying rocks.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago