Every liberal does it too, from center right radlibs to far-right "conservatives": the most extreme right fringe liberals hate the mainstream liberals for not being bigoted enough, the mainstream libs hate the radlibs for not being cruel enough, and the radlibs hate the left for not being chauvinist enough.

Denouncing chauvinism in particular is like a liberal moral event horizon, a cardinal sin against their self-interested belief in the righteousness of the imperial hegemon that keeps the treats flowing at gunpoint.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (21 children)

I thought it was because, despite wanting things like universal healthcare and welfare supports, they don't want to let go of capitalism. I'm not from here, and not all the way to where you are, but that's my outside view.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

despite wanting things like universal healthcare and welfare supports, they don't want to let go of capitalism

That's called social democracy. It is fed by imperialism and shits out a labor aristocracy. The capitalist class uses social democracy in the imperial core to appease the workers and postpone revolution. But it requires exporting suffering to the "developing" (colonized) world.

You see this in the so called "nordic" countries. People will admire the nordic countries without questioning how imperialism keeps them afloat.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

Thanks for the response. That second map is really helpful to put into perspective how much my country (the US) is screwing me, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around the bottom section.

A few questions if that's okay:

The capitalist class uses social democracy in the imperial core to appease the workers and postpone revolution.

What is the imperial core?

But it requires exporting suffering to the “developing” (colonized) world.

Does this mean things like mining lithium, or exporting labor to other countries because it's cheaper?

Sorry if these questions sound dumb. I'm a liberal with dreams of socialism in my head, but Hexbear makes me feel like maybe I don't understand what those dreams actually mean, so I'm trying to get a better understanding.

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

You've gotten some good answers so I just want to say thanks for asking these questions and genuinely trying to learn. There's been a lot of stubborn people who won't listen to anything they don't like on here recently but there's also been plenty of open-minded people like you, and it makes me glad to see that

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