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[–] bradv@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Regardless of whether it’s the mold, the diet, a spiritual crisis, or good old-fashioned demonic assault, we can only hope Peterson recovers. Sure, I don’t agree with him about anything, but this weepy, deranged, overemotional basketcase does more to discredit conservative thinking than an army of well-meaning social justice warriors, so I can only wish him a long life.

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude is responsible for indoctrinating so many desperate kids that just needed any kind of direction. He is not discrediting conservative thinking. Is this author living under a rock?

[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I really do think there’s a very definite before and after. At one point, he seemed to figure out exactly the cadence and wording that young men especially wanted out of a wisdom-dispensing fatherly figure. He got a lot of mileage out of whining about that one Canadian law proposal, at a time when transgendery things were (for better or for worse) less understood by most people. So even if you were sympathetic to them, there was a chance that what he was describing would raise your eyebrow. In my case I didn’t think I had anything against them, but he painted this picture of a law that could be easily abused, even if it was ostensibly in good faith. And he was careful not to comment on whether or not he thought it was one. Didn’t matter that the narrative he was peddling was pretty much fiction in the first place.

And then COVID broke his brain, and he very suddenly became terrible at hiding his power level. Part of his audience just knew him as that guy who wrote that book, but after selling increasingly political books titled “All you need to do to live (part 4, last one)” and “All you need to do to live (part 5, okay no this is the last one I promise.final)” that illusion also fell apart.

Right now most of the people who looked up to him at the time, even those who both still are (and even those who acknowledge) that they are right wing, think he’s lost the plot.

It’s not a great reassurance that those who let go of him may still have probably been swayed net-rightward by his stuff. But his spiral and widespread perception as a laughing stock, and as a clear example of lack of moral integrity on the right, is also a major piece of what he represents now. His red crying mug in his messy room has become a meme with a life of own. This is what he really is: a pompous, pontificating, fragile prick who can’t even use the good parts of his advice for his own sake. Even if it’s as simple as touching grass and cleaning up your shit.

I guess I’m technically an ex-follower of his.

At one point in my life, during his rise, I had a vaguely positive view of him, after he was presented as a guest on what was definitely not a conservative podcast (great moves Ethan, proud of you!). I even bought his book. I viewed myself squarely as an open minded liberal person, and saw him as just a moderate. Coming from a socially conservative part of the world, no alarm bells rang for me. But after continued learning, and meeting new people, I was able to rebuild a much more robust and morally sound view of the world and how it works. I recognized how caustic a lot of my beliefs, many that he confirmed/reinforced, actually are.

One of the few things I miss from the old site is /r/ExLobster, it was so enlightening to see how many others went through the same process I did with this guy. It also took the edge off the embarrassment I felt about falling into his world in the first place. I was just vulnerable to his shit at that point in my life, it was literally designed for people in my situation, and there’s no shame in picking yourself up and moving forward. And then COVID happened, in parallel with a multidimensional meltdown in my country, and while he put himself in a coma and cooked his brain, I was out there, supporting the medical system, doing charitable work and then mutual aid work, and I came out the other side with a radically new and solid foundation for my beliefs. A model of how society should run that ran counter to a lot of what he preached as common sense.

But you know what was the tipping point for me? It’s a very silly little thing I saw, and I don’t recall particularly when. Probably while I was still a bit in it. I always used to intentionally avoid his subreddit because I thought I was an enlightened centrist (finding the good in his work but not uncritically engaging with it) who was above those weird right wingers who dominated that community. But I opened it on a whim once. And someone was asking about “Jordan-Peterson ideology compatible Anime”. Not sure what the exact words were. But there you go. Sometimes you need to see a word salad like that to see how ridiculous the company you’re keeping actually is.

I think he’s a fascinating case study of the grift economy. I genuinely think that if he was truly the conservalib old-soul psychology professor with an interest in the way Christian theology and vague folktale cosmology influence modern worldviews and narratives, he would definitely be someone I’d pay attention to. At least for his areas of expertise. I still yearn for someone like that to exist. Shitheads should not monopolize any topic.

But we know now that he was always mad as a hatter, that he was trying to get famous a decade before he actually did, and that his actual beliefs don’t deserve an iota of public recognition. That the ways he couched them are the sum total of what he was bringing to the table.

The mythological Jordan Peterson isn’t necessarily a bad guy, the original character, as played in like 2016. The actual one is a pathetic, and now failed cult of personality grifter, an enabler of great evil.

I hope he feels a fraction of the pain he has caused before he kicks it.

Edit: changed some things to be less winding.