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I have never once asked why something should exist. It’s the human will to make new cool things, and in 5y this model will train on your refrigerator, so you aren’t stopping it. These videos complain about the problems of exponentially increasing technology rather than look towards solutions, like anti capitalist organizing. Like, ok, this destroys copyright and IP: guess what copyright and IP is DUMB CAPITALIST NONSENSE. Let’s overthrow it. These people are complaining about companies selling access to these models under cost: that’s because this can never make a profit! If you don’t need labor, cost goes to 0. This will spur unemployment and harm, which will spur worker participation and class warfare.
And the environmental cost is still lower than meat.
To me all the complaining is the sweet voice of class consciousness.
Meat, whether you think it's moral or ethical or not, serves a need. People need to eat. People don't need AI slop.
It's kind of like saying, "Well yeah I leave this 50kw diesel generator running 24/7. It's way less environmentally damaging than meat. No, I'm not using the power it generates for any real purpose, but who cares, it's environmentally friendly!"
I don’t think meat is unethical, nor do I think AI is unethical. Both serve a purpose (slop doesn’t serve a purpose but slop exists because we are doing ai research and expansion which very much serves a long term purpose). I’m just trying to put AI water and power use into perspective.
People don't need to eat meat 2 times a day 7 days a week.
People don't need AI slop at all. At least meat provides sustenance.
Yes but think of the shareholders
It's not meat.
It's cars and planes. We know this because we observed a drastic drop in air pollution in both 2008 (following the financial crash) and March 2020 that can be attributed to basically the entire planet no longer commuting and traveling.
That said, LLM's water and carbon footprints are likely going to be far more devastating than meat consumption, not that it'll matter. Everyone is still going to vote Democrat and Republican and things will steadily continue to get worse.
It's both, and a handful of other industries. The tiny blip of dropped emissions during covid did absolutely fucking nothing to help air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. It's just feel-good bullshit the media spread around. Travel is a significant portion of ghg emissions, very comparable in impact to meat production.