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[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 25 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't think there is a good reason. It's an interesting ability for a model. I can see the appeal why people are interested in much the same way I can understand why people climb mountains. Wouldn't wanna do it myself but I can see why you like it kind of way. For me this falls into the category of "the general public doesn't need to have access to this." I get mad when I hear people talk about it in terms of what is and isn't allowed in it. "And then I tried to put a light saber in it and that was okay but I couldn't make me into Super Mario." You just created enough heat in a server farm that will kill a polar bear, that needs to be cooled with future drinking water we need to desalinate, and you have huffed some more air in the hyped up bubble economy surrounding so-called AI. All so you can see where the model draws the copyright line? And if you think that I was modest in my hyperbole, you'll probably agree with me when I say in a similar spirit that we as a species deserve to eradicate ourselves off this planet.

The so-called AI peddlers have the same problem as news peddlers online. It's fucking hard to turn users into paying subscribers. And they need to turn a profit at some point. It's the merciless mechanics of capitalism that dumps all these models on an unprepared general public at dumping prices. A drive to increase shareholder value above any other consideration. It's time to change that.

And I'm not opposed to this model existing. Research it, fine tune it, offer it for the actual cost you're running in the background plus a bit of a profit margin. And when it costs $207.40 per month to make these brief videos, I'd be okay with that. It would price out enough users not to undo any of the insufficient climate saving measures we as a species have already implemented.

[–] BuckenBerry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a bit irrelevant but we can't use sea water for cooling instead. And if we're already heating sea water can't we just heat it up more in the end and create a combined desalination server farm.

Are they any major issues I'm missing

I think there biggest problem with sea water is dirt, not just the salt. So it's easier to waste drinking water on cooling the chips. The idea of a combination server farm and desalination plant is probably possible. Desalination is expensive though. I remember reading about Singapore's efforts. So this would have to be a big investment with profits pushed far back into a sustainable future. So if you're on the board and have this fiduciary responsibility to increase shareholder value you'll probably throw your hands up and give up at that point. Without governments making wasting drinking water on server cooling expensive, this plan will never even make it to the c-suite.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just going to drop this wiki link, so people know the precident set with this case is one of the driving causes for our current misery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co

[–] killea@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I didn't know that! Thank you for that tidbit. Also wanna take the time to say I feel I derived more satisfaction learning of the source than I lost from the bummer.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

The final part of that page adds nuance that makes it far less dire. Its not a simple matter.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

That's the same thing that keeps me going at least lol

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

High demand will drive efficiency gains in subsequent generations. It'll be like how processors today use a tiny fraction of the power that processors a decade ago used for the same amount of work. Better instruction sets, architectures and smaller lithography has driven efficient and competitive computing. Similar will happen for AI processors

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Sure, but that will only serve to make it more accessible and widely used. AI is still going to keep wasting immense amounts of energy.