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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Meanwhile the Soviets wouldn’t let even damaged B-29s land after bombing Japan, and when they did they imprisoned the crews and confiscated the planes.

Then they took the planes apart and copied them as closely as possible.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't remember which aircraft it was, but there's a story about how one of their copied models had a mysterious hole drilled in it, which was missing from the originals. A good amount of time was spent speculating on what its purpose was. Was it an improvement of some kind? Some new hardware? A space for a specialized camera?

Nope, turns out the model they copied from had a extra hole drilled there by accident, and not knowing what it was, the soviets just kept it.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Excellent read, thank you very much!

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Then they took the planes apart and copied them as closely as possible.

Which was tricky given imperial vs. metric supply chains/production capabilities:

The Soviet Union used the metric system and so sheet aluminium in thicknesses matching the B-29's U.S. customary measurements was unavailable. The corresponding metric-gauge metal was of different thicknesses. Alloys and other materials new to the Soviet Union had to be brought into production. Extensive re-engineering had to take place to compensate for the differences, and Soviet official strength margins had to be decreased to avoid further redesign.[11] Despite those challenges, the prototype Tu-4 weighed only 340 kg (750 lb) more than the B-29, a difference of less than 1%.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We hear a lot about the Soviets and Chinese copying American hardware. What has the US copied? We have (had) a huge industrial/ design base but surely other countries have invented something good at least once or twice!

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

...Would the cavity magnetron the UK sent over count?

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Fascinating! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6331897.stm I hadn't heard of that.

I'm not sure it counts, just because it wasn't copied secretly as much intentionally shared?

[–] m4xie@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, China has invented important things once or twice.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well no doubt. I'm curious what was copied the other way like the Flying Fortress in the article.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Wait what, Russian government is selfish and acts like an asshole?

Who would've guessed.

Oh right, my ancestors who fell fighting them.