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The affordable care act has been garbage since day one. We pay more for care than anyone else in the world. Time to completely remove profit from healthcare in the US. A bandaid to Obamacare isn't worth the time.
I disagree. You're not going to hammer out an alternative before millions of people lose coverage. Keeping it from getting worse while coming up with a replacement should be a prtiority.
I've gone many years without coverage and paid for minimal care with negotiated smaller cash payments up front. Then I was forced to pay for insurance with a massive out of pocket and had no care at all for the first handful of years of the ACA even though I technically finally had "insurance". The system is so broken we need to finish breaking it and build it again without profit. I lived without care for over a decade, people can go a few months.
You survived so everyone else should too? That's ridiculous and self-absorbed.
Did you have cancer? Or diabetes? Heart disease? Were you in a car accident? Asthma? Back problems? Osteoperosis?
Because some of the people you just said you want to remove medical coverage for will have those problems.
You're lucky you survived without coverage. They might not be.
Yes I have had a bunch of conditions and still do. Deadly. Paralyzing. Blinding. Bowel destroying. Heart destroying. And more. I still haven't been to the dentist in 25 years. I've been to the doctor once in that time.
You know what, I am for everyone getting care. But not until everyone can get care. Don't ask for me to help pay for care for others when I can't afford care myself. Until I can receive care too, my answer to paying for others' care is solidly no.
Yeah, for sure, man, everyone believes you have a bunch of deadly, debilitating issues that you've allowed to go mostly untreated for 25 years. Those sure are deadly conditions, you know, the conditions that you can ignore for decades.
I mean, just living will kill the shit out of you. I don't guess that there is a deadlier condition than being alive.
yknow the point of single payer is that it becomes cheaper for everyone because you all of a sudden have bargaining power… right?
you could afford healthcare if you contributed to a big pool that paid for everyone… and more importantly, set the prices of care however they damn well please
single payer is like a union, but far more powerful because it’s a monopoly (and a monopoly that’s actually good because it’s for the benefit of all)
I'm all for single payer, but we don't have it. Right now I'm subsidizing care for others while unable to receive any. I'm sorry, but it's fucked.
There are literally millions of people that would most likely die if they went without care for “a few months”
Not to mention, what is a few months? Its been nearly a week and these people cant even restart the government. A few months of further negotiation would probably be 24 months or some shit
The "burn it all down" thinking is how we have so many Trump voters.
It all needs to be burned down. This isn't a uniquely American issue, as the cracks are becoming impossible to ignore across the entire western world, but the right wing here and abroad are the only ones advocating the the dissolution of our broken systems. The problem is that they want to build everything back up to benefit exclusively the wealthiest in society, while the liberal centerists who are the main opposition want to continue to slap bandaids on what is clearly a lost cause. The far right will continue to gain ground and pulverize everything in their path if the mainstream "left" (Democrats/Labour/Liberal/Rennasisance/SDP/Civic Platform etc) continues to operate as is. Radical change is coming, but the liberal parties are too busy trying to ensure that change doesn't come from the left.
America is probably the most difficult to change since the Democrats have lost just about all credibility nationwide, but France is a perfect example of what i am trying to explain. Macron's centrist Rennasisance party has clearly lost public support, since every prime minister he appoints gets bullied out of power by both the leftist alliance and National Rally. He has to chose one to make concessions to, but refuses to enter talks with the Left Block, and any agreement with National Rally would put Len Pen in charge. Until these centrist parties start to actually address the issues their citizens are facing, said citizens will continue to flock to parties that are promoting radical change, regardless of what that change entails.
Blaming a bill (that was railroaded and made worse by republican concessions) instead of corrupt people and billionaires is crazy.
Obama had a supermajority for the first two years of his term. Obamacare didn't have to be what it is.
Lieberman.
That's a myth. He actually had a supermajority for like a month.
Al Franken's seat was caught up in a lawsuit for a long time, and by the time he was able to take office Ted Kennedy got sick.
Instead of resigning he just stopped showing up for months, stalling everything until he died. His seat was filled temporarily by the governor in late 2009 and the Senate broke the Republican fillibuster and passed a shitty Healthcare bill right before the holiday recess that was supposed to be cleaned up in reconciliation with the House bill.
Then the Tea Party happened and took Kennedy's seat in the special election, so the Dems only had 59 seats and couldn't break another fillibuster. At that point the Dems could either give up or the House could pass a verbatim copy of the Senate bill so it wouldn't have to go back to the Senate after reconciliation with the House bill.
So the broken Senate bill had to be passed in the House, and that's what went to Obama's desk.
Yes. The GoP stymied it at step1 of 50.
Yes. Your people do, your clinics do. This is a supply-side problem that single-payer clamps down on hard: adjust pricing or get no business.
Absolutely.
Don't abandon the effort at the first failure of the first step.
We need step 2 and 3 and 4 and..
Although the Canadian system is being polluted and poisoned by mercenary care access and currently under threat due to so many doctors noping out of being threatened by antivax hillbillies, the Canadian system is normally effective, supported by taxpayers fully, and the average Canadian pays 1% less income tax than an American at the same income -- even with healthcare in there. It scales with income, and I'm proud to be making enough that I can support someone who pays nothing.
20% of us are on free basic dental care too. It's new and beta, but it's got potential.
The ACA passed with zero Republican votes. The reason the ACA is garbage is not because of Republicans. It is because of bought and paid for Democrats. They'll never give us health care without profit, your step 3 or 4. The people need to seize it.
So incredibly disingenuous. Are you claiming that Democrats never once modified that bill in an attempt to negotiate with a Republican for their vote? They never conceded a single thing in an effort to gain Republican support? Republicans never made any public claims about the bill that made Democrats in conservative districts or states have to push back against provisions in the original bill?
...and that is all ignoring the fact that if a few Republicans had supported the bill as a single payer solution, conservative Democrats would still have ruined it?
Now, I am honestly of the opinion that Congress is half theater and that many times far more Democrats, if necessary, would work against progressive ideas if they didn't have blue dogs to conveniently do it for them. To take the heat for stabbing their constituents in the back and refusing to give them what they want because they are bought and paid for, or simply brainwashed by the billionaire class and out of touch, thinking they know better than progressive peasants. I just despise bullshit arguments that Republicans don't also contribute heavily to the effort of fucking up progressive policies.