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[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (23 children)
[–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (22 children)

I don't, it very much sounds like that's what they are saying.

Russia invaded Ukraine, twice, now the second time Ukraine is fighting back with western help, how is that a "proxy war"?

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Because the Ukrainian government in power is aligned with the West politically, and the US/EU wouldn't want to fight Russia directly. While it certainly still functions in many ways like a proxy war, I feel like it was more of a proxy war until 2022 when it was contained to the eastern part of the country and the US was actively training the Ukrainian military in Ukraine (I believe they are now training them outside Ukraine to avoid sparking a direct war between NATO and Russia) concurrently with Russian military support for Luhansk and Donetsk. When Russia widened the theatre of war to the whole country last year, I think the character of the war shifted fundamentally.

[–] kameecoding@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

so in your opinion, the US and West should have stood by and let Ukraine be invaded by Russia?

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

The US should certainly bugger off and stop shitting on ~~USSR~~ Russia's doorstep. Go overthrow some some South American governments like you used to instead.

As for EU, let Ukraine in and fight for them if you like them so much, wankers. Why waste money on weapons just to fuel the war knowing full well that Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to win it? And I don't buy the "weaken the Russia" argument. The Russian military equipment is crap but that crap costs the same amount in rubles as western equipment in dollars. So, literal pennies to a dollar given the current exchange rate.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Ukraine needs to be destroyed through whatever means necessary, so yes

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