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[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

without having to send our own troops to fight it

Ukrainian troops and Ukrainian people are dying though, and they're still human - for what? A couple of breakaway regions that have been fighting the government of Ukraine since 2014.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

So if January 6th traitors were being aided with weapons from Russia we should have laid down and let them win to preserve lives?

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What if the world was made of pudding

I would eat it. Bad idea, my gluttony would doom us all.

[–] meth_dragon@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ukraine had its jan 6th incident in 2014, the current war is a result of the coupists succeeding and the eastern part of the country not lying down and letting them win to preserve lives

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Don’t forget a literally private owned terror group burning people alive in an arson attack as a key part of that coup. Why? Because they were union organizers and the rich fucks that own that place would rather pay for the training, equipment, and propaganda that keeps their personal right wing death squads at optimal efficiency rather than pay their workers a fair wage.

ukkkraine

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

A good comparison might be "what if Maine really wanted to be independent, or maybe even join Canada?"

Would it make sense to:

  • Give American neo-Nazi paramilitaries free reign to attack Maine
  • Seek an alliance with a group of nations expressly designed to fight a war with Canada
  • Get into a bloody stalemate of a war with Canada if they invade on behalf of the people of Maine, who don't want to be here anyway
  • Keep fighting that war long after the point it becomes apparent that we will not be retaking Maine

A better solution would have been to negotiate with Maine separatists, perhaps addressing the reason they want to leave, and at bare minimum act like a sovereign state with a monopoly on legitimate violence and destroy the neo-Nazi paramilitaries in your own house. Might also help to avoid the "fuck Canada" military alliance, too.