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Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.

It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.

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[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure we all agree that violence is a bad solution. The problem is we're all out of good ones. What are the alternatives at this point?

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Society upholding its part of the social bargain. Making these people feel afraid to express such opinions anymore. Without that long term, even physical violence will only buy temporary change. These people will always return if given the opportunity. And for generations Americans have been taught to tolerate intolerance.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see how we would make them afraid without any implied threat of violence though. Apart from that, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Through a threat of non-physical violence. Cutting them off from society. The reason we're now debating about actual physical violence, about actually killing people. Is because society as a whole failed utterly to do that.

The last time this happened, the Civil War. Sherman was stopped much too early. As well as reconstruction. The fact that Confederate leadership was just allowed to surrender then allowed back into society with very little reprocussion. Not even to have all their property confiscated to repay for the damage they'd done. Let alone be exiled from the United States itself completely. That open sore was allowed to fester and become celebrated.

All of which served as an inspiration and a blueprint to the first wave of fascists in the early 20th century. It was all open and tolerated by society. That's why it returned.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

that lever is getting harder and harder to pull. already it's impossible to get, for example, blatantly transphobic videos removed from youtube. The right's campaign of reframing the consequences of their bigotry as "censorship" or "anti conservative bias" has unfortunately resonated with big tech.

and a lot of these nazi fucks feel like they are protected from the consequences of spouting their nazi fuck bullshit, probably because they increasingly are.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Because big anything has always been for being "BIGGER“. They will do anything to further their brand. And make line go up. Right up and over a cliff if they must. Just so they can claim to be the one that reached the peak. Then blame the fall on everyone else.

Society is okay with and accepts bigots, transphobes, and Nazis. Though I repeat myself twice. Why wouldn't these companies platform them. They are tolerated and socially acceptable in society. We're told to be understanding and consciliatory to magats. That they could be just like us if we accept them. Bullshit. I don't need to be shamed and browbeaten in to behaving like a decent empathetic human being. I do it because it's just the right thing to do. Meanwhile, they scream bloody murder at the slightest hint of pushback. That only meant it was starting to work and we should have pushed harder. Not backed off and tried to understand them.