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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 17 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

You tell them that Donald Trump is a felon. He committed 34 felonies. He was found guilty by a jury. But the judge decided not to punish him. It's a crime that normally gets prison time and Donald Trump belongs in prison, but the judge was scared. They'll try to deflect and make excuses and every time they do, you just repeat "Donald Trump is a felon"

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That one is pretty straightforward, at least: they don't think trump was really guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. In fact they don't even know what those crimes were, they just assume the charges were baseless and brought by liberal haters. The judge who gave him no punishment was just correcting a wrong done to trump.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

And that's when you say a jury of 12 ordinary people looked at the evidence and said he was guilty. Trump said he didn't do that, so they looked at the records, and they found that Trump falsified business records. He paid a pornstar to cover up an affair and a lawyer to manipulate online polls, both illegally declared as a legal expense. The fraudulent payments helped him illegally influence the outcome of the 2016 election, and are therefore felonies. If he hadn't committed those crimes, he might never have been president in the first place. We don't get to see what a fair election would have looked like because of his crimes, which a jury decided he did indeed commit.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

And that's when they abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

Don't forget about the last part of the quote. In my opinion it could be there most important part. That is the reason to argue, because we want to show how ridiculous their arguments are to third parties.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

But that was New York man, nuthin but commies out that way anyway

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well not to mention the rape, and pedophilia.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago

The point is to appeal to authority. Authority didn't convict him of rape and pedophilia, so it'll only persuade people who care about finding the truth for themselves. I'm talking about persuading Fox News addicts.