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That's only a portion of Trump voters though. There are a lot of younger voters with less ingrained brain washing that came recently from new media.
I honestly don't know what you do about the people you are speaking of. I have some in my extended family and there is no convincing them of things after 3 decades of programming. Even foundational knowledge isn't the same.
You tell them that Donald Trump is a felon. He committed 34 felonies. He was found guilty by a jury. But the judge decided not to punish him. It's a crime that normally gets prison time and Donald Trump belongs in prison, but the judge was scared. They'll try to deflect and make excuses and every time they do, you just repeat "Donald Trump is a felon"
That one is pretty straightforward, at least: they don't think trump was really guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. In fact they don't even know what those crimes were, they just assume the charges were baseless and brought by liberal haters. The judge who gave him no punishment was just correcting a wrong done to trump.
And that's when you say a jury of 12 ordinary people looked at the evidence and said he was guilty. Trump said he didn't do that, so they looked at the records, and they found that Trump falsified business records. He paid a pornstar to cover up an affair and a lawyer to manipulate online polls, both illegally declared as a legal expense. The fraudulent payments helped him illegally influence the outcome of the 2016 election, and are therefore felonies. If he hadn't committed those crimes, he might never have been president in the first place. We don't get to see what a fair election would have looked like because of his crimes, which a jury decided he did indeed commit.
And that's when they abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Don't forget about the last part of the quote. In my opinion it could be there most important part. That is the reason to argue, because we want to show how ridiculous their arguments are to third parties.
But that was New York man, nuthin but commies out that way anyway
Well not to mention the rape, and pedophilia.
The point is to appeal to authority. Authority didn't convict him of rape and pedophilia, so it'll only persuade people who care about finding the truth for themselves. I'm talking about persuading Fox News addicts.
Yeah at some point folks get too old to change. You can try to get them off Fox News at least, but it just depends. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes they really can't even learn a new kind of remote/cable or whatever.
Younger folks are deep down the influencer rabbit hole, and I don't know what to do about that (other than pushing Fediverse) since Big Tech has such an iron grip on everything. I mean, the future is definitely cyberpunk.
Here in WV them olds got fired up quick when they saw SS threatened. They might have to go back to work at 70+ and live the golden years in a golden shower they created with trickle down economics.
Good thing WV has tons of good-paying jobs available for senior citizens!