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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How far do you want to go? Absolute peace would be the end of the nation-state and the use of violence to uphold class society. That's an useless idea for this, though. Maybe a more useful goal for peace is stopping the encirclement, sanctioning, and blockading of all countries. Or not conducting coups to install puppet governments right next to geopolitical enemies. Or at the very least accepting diplomatic solutions to a war when they arise instead of slipping your proxy another check and sending a couple thousand more people to get killed.

In short, we're a long way out from peace, but NATO's actions have arguably put the world in more peril and violence than even Russia's. Even if that weren't the case, unless you're Russian yourself, you probably have a lot more you can do to pressure the NATO countries to stop fighting to the last Ukrainian, rather than somehow pray Putin into surrendering.

[–] exohuman@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Why can’t Putin stop attacking Ukraine? Why is it on everyone else to stop when Russia is clearly the aggressor here? The war would be over in a flash of Putin simply decided to stop attacking.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The war was going on before Russia sent troops in and would likely continue even if they withdrew.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

I mean at this point it would almost certainly be ethnic cleansing of the Russian speaking population.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Because NATO will use Ukraine as a base from which to destabilize, balkanize, and destroy the rf. That's the answer. Until Ukraine is forced to accept Neutrality and NATO is forced out of Ukraine Russia won't have a defense against NATO aggression.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

The point is that there is a zero percent chance of this happening. The world doesn't run on hopes and dreams.

[–] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Why can’t Putin stop attacking Ukraine? Why is it on everyone else to stop when Russia is clearly the aggressor here?

Why do all these other countries always have to bow to these maximalist US demands? Can you name one example over the past 50 years where any country chose to do so and it made things better for them and tgeir neighbors, not just the US?

You're just parroting imperial talking points dude.