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[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dan McClellan is a textbook example of this. He is known to block people whom responds to his videos. which is bad faith.

I know he blocks people if he decides they are not engaging productively. Like in the video you linked InspiringPhilosphy says that: when Jesus knew the doubters wondered "who can forgive sins but God"... InspiringPhilosphy insists that they were talking about God the father, but trinitarian belief didn't exist at the time of the composition of the gospel of Mark right? I suspect Dan lost patience with the retrojection of Trinitarianism.

The Bible hasn't been heavily edited. There isn't much proof for this, notably, no original "unedited" documents.

These are the first three edits that come to mind: Pericope of the women caught in adultery is absent from all early manuscripts if the gospel of John. Johannine comma being absent from all Greek manuscripts (except for the forgery from like 1000 years later), short ending of Mark. Also the pseudepigraphal letters of Paul, are editing in a sense.

Yahweh was worshipped in a pantheon though, and the Bible records this. But it's the writings of a monotheistic sect.

What is monotheism? Is it compatible with belief in the power of rival gods like in 2 Kings 3:27?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That recording in Mark is Jesus teaching Trinitarian belief.

I also said "heavily" edited. A story here in there added in isn't heavy editing. The Johannine Comma existed for a period of time but isn't in modern bibles except maybe a footnote. Even the woman caught in adultery comes with a disclaimer, as well as the ending in Mark.

2 Kings 3:27

Then he took his oldest son who was to reign in his place and offered him for a burnt offering on the wall. And there came great wrath against Israel. And they withdrew from him and returned to their own land.

What rival god?

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think trinitarianism was invented at that point, if Jesus is teaching it there he is doing a terrible job.

The rival god that the son was sacrificed to.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do you mean "it wasn't invented"?

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jesus was literally claiming to be God in the passage about forgiveness of sins.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure he claims to be the son of man.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Mark 2:5-12 ESV

[5] And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” [6] Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, [7] “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [8] And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts? [9] Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’? [10] But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— [11] “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.” [12] And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

By saying "the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" was a divinity claim. Because the scribes were correct - only God can forgive sins.

Sin is a transgression against God. So only God is in a position to forgive that.

Psalm 51:4 ESV [4] Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.

This is written by David despite the fact he committed adultery.

2 Samuel 12:9, 13 ESV [9] Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and have killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. [13] David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die.

If someone were to wrong me, would my child be able to forgive them? Nope. I'd have to forgive.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins

He says the son of man has the authority to forgive sins. If he is trying to explain that he is god, he is doing a terrible job. To me it seems like he is saying "you think only god can forgive sins, I'll show you you're wrong"

If someone were to wrong me, would my child be able to forgive them? Nope.

You're saying that your omnipotent god can't authorize someone to forgive sins on its behalf?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Whenever Jesus did directly claim to be God, they tried to kill Him.

John 8:58-59

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

John 10:30-31

"I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

John 8 starts with the pericope of the women caught in adultery, one of the edits I mentioned....

Do you know what John 10 doesn't say?

The father and I and the holy ghost are one, and three, but most of the time one. 3 persons, one being. Like why didn't he try explaining it to someone that wouldn't try to kill him, and that was writing things down...

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 14 minutes ago

Argument from silence fallacy