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Me when I listen to tiktok instead of doing actual research
Could you be more constructive with your feedback?
It's the same stuff I see copypasted everywhere. A lot of it is speculation from like one academic which gets quoted as fact
I guess you're referring to Dan McClellan. I've consumed a lot of his content via YouTube and his podcast.
It generally seems like a pretty impartial, critical analysis of the data, rather than speculation. But given that he has dominated my understanding of the data I recognize I've got a pretty big blindspot. Where would you point me to refute the view that the bible seems to be a source that has been heavily edited to remove its polytheistic origins?
Dan McClellan is a textbook example of this. He is known to block people whom responds to his videos. which is bad faith.
I could point you to another video about the Yahweh pantheon by the same guy.
The Bible hasn't been heavily edited. There isn't much proof for this, notably, no original "unedited" documents. Yahweh was worshipped in a pantheon though, and the Bible records this. But it's the writings of a monotheistic sect.
Numbers 25:1–3:
While Israel lived in Shittim, the people began to whore with the daughters of Moab. These invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. So Israel yoked himself to Baal of Peor. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel.
Judges 2:11-13 ESV [11] And the people of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and served the Baals. [12] And they abandoned the Lord, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt. They went after other gods, from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed down to them. And they provoked the Lord to anger. [13] They abandoned the Lord and served the Baals and the Ashtaroth.
Judges 3:5-7 ESV [5] So the people of Israel lived among the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. [6] And their daughters they took to themselves for wives, and their own daughters they gave to their sons, and they served their gods. [7] And the people of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord. They forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asheroth.
Judges 10:6 ESV [6] The people of Israel again did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Syria, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the Ammonites, and the gods of the Philistines. And they forsook the Lord and did not serve him.
The archaeology is basically just backing it up that there were instances of Yahweh being worshipped alongside other gods.
So the Bible hasn't been edited- it documents this happening.
Uhhh the dead Sea scrolls showed exactly how much the Bible had been edited over there years. The entire book today is edit upon edit upon edit
The dead sea scrolls are the same as the Bible we have today
There are significant differences as I understand it
Like what?
It was explained to me by someone I know who I trust. I would have to ask them or go looking. Unfortunately I haven't been in contact with them so that's not much of an option for the foreseeable future. As I said it is my understanding,
I was led to believe this isn't really something to argue about as there were entire books that no longer exist in modern versions. This was about 15 years ago and you are the first person to challenge that assertion I've made since then. (It isn't something that has come up all that often to be fair)
Sorry if I'm mistaken or was misled
The assertion I've generally heard is that it's quite close. Like some things are worded differently to the masoretic text which we used before it (although other manuscripts were right anyway) but no doctrine changes.
You hear the likes of Bart Ehrman claim all these things about thousands of textual variants- most of them are simply spelling errors.
I know he blocks people if he decides they are not engaging productively. Like in the video you linked InspiringPhilosphy says that: when Jesus knew the doubters wondered "who can forgive sins but God"... InspiringPhilosphy insists that they were talking about God the father, but trinitarian belief didn't exist at the time of the composition of the gospel of Mark right? I suspect Dan lost patience with the retrojection of Trinitarianism.
These are the first three edits that come to mind: Pericope of the women caught in adultery is absent from all early manuscripts if the gospel of John. Johannine comma being absent from all Greek manuscripts (except for the forgery from like 1000 years later), short ending of Mark. Also the pseudepigraphal letters of Paul, are editing in a sense.
What is monotheism? Is it compatible with belief in the power of rival gods like in 2 Kings 3:27?
That recording in Mark is Jesus teaching Trinitarian belief.
I also said "heavily" edited. A story here in there added in isn't heavy editing. The Johannine Comma existed for a period of time but isn't in modern bibles except maybe a footnote. Even the woman caught in adultery comes with a disclaimer, as well as the ending in Mark.
2 Kings 3:27
What rival god?
I don't think trinitarianism was invented at that point, if Jesus is teaching it there he is doing a terrible job.
The rival god that the son was sacrificed to.
What do you mean "it wasn't invented"?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitarianism_in_the_Church_Fathers
Jesus was literally claiming to be God in the passage about forgiveness of sins.
Pretty sure he claims to be the son of man.
Mark 2:5-12 ESV
By saying "the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" was a divinity claim. Because the scribes were correct - only God can forgive sins.
Sin is a transgression against God. So only God is in a position to forgive that.
Psalm 51:4 ESV [4] Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.
This is written by David despite the fact he committed adultery.
2 Samuel 12:9, 13 ESV [9] Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and have killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. [13] David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
If someone were to wrong me, would my child be able to forgive them? Nope. I'd have to forgive.
He says the son of man has the authority to forgive sins. If he is trying to explain that he is god, he is doing a terrible job. To me it seems like he is saying "you think only god can forgive sins, I'll show you you're wrong"
You're saying that your omnipotent god can't authorize someone to forgive sins on its behalf?
Whenever Jesus did directly claim to be God, they tried to kill Him.
John 8:58-59
John 10:30-31
John 8 starts with the pericope of the women caught in adultery, one of the edits I mentioned....
Do you know what John 10 doesn't say?
Argument from silence fallacy