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Hate to say it, but I'd argue that this particular leftist sub-group can be ever worse than Christians. At least on paper, Christians are supposed to want to convert sinners and non-believers, and are supposed to work to do outreach to help people explicitly undeserving. The Christian enemy of the devil is effectively an abstract. Yes, there's the anti-lgbt+ bigots, but in my experience they are a minority despite their incessant loudness and overwhelming presence in the public eye.
This particular revolution worshipping sub-group of leftists though? They appear to overwhelmingly just want death and suffering for their "enemies". They have no plans to attempt to convert people and many are actively against even trying.
I can't tell you how much heat I've taken for suggesting that (at best) ignoring all the fuckers that voted for Trump and not trying to find any way to build relationships so you can turn them is a losing strategy.
It makes me sick that so very many people see violent and complete revolution where somehow they never have to deal with opposition voices ever again afterwards (read: purges and re-education camps, ideas I've seen positive unironic support for from this group a shocking amount) as a more viable and desiriable outcome than trying to understand and care for their misguided neighbors and family so they can turn them.
Just because your plan isn't technically genocide due to it falling on lines of political ideology doesn't make it less completely fucked in the head and reprehensible.
If your wishes for the future include "We have to be baddies so we can completely erase the worse baddies from existence and make our utopia" then I strongly suggest you need to reevaluate just about fucking everything in your life and ideals.
Look I hate tankies, accelerationists, and purity testing among progressives, but generally speaking the great rural swaths of MAGA chuds are as much of a waste of time as tankies are. They're either completely deluded or sociopathically self-interested. There isn't any moral standing to demanding I go out and have a beer with my racist MAGA neighbor. Nor would that even be a tolerable course of action for me, he could literally die in a fire I'd feel nothing.
So... do you find extermination of these people is a more tolerable course of action than getting to know them?
This is a core point I'm trying to make here, and strive to make fairly often elsewhere. The "rural swathes of MAGA chuds" (keep drinking the 1%s rural vs urban division of the middle and lower classes why don't you) are a large enough group/voting bloc that they cannot simply be ignored.
It doesn't have to be you, but someone has to do something about this group. And I'm not coyly endorsing mass murder or sterilization here. I'm also not sitting on my ass telling others to do work I'm not doing myself.
You can resign yourself to try and just outlive them. You could just keep trying to outvote them every time, forever. Sad, but tolerable and entirely understandable, attitude.
You can come up with a large number of other ways that effectively amount to "remove their ability to vote", most of which would be violations of human rights or elimination of human life. These are the attitudes I find reprehensible, and shockingly fucking common.
Or we could all start making concentrated efforts to start treating people with god awful views as people where some amount of them might be able to be changed. Not as subhuman mosters (the term "chud" is pretty disgusting when you get down to it), as unredeemable fools, as non-entities (wouldn't care if they dropped dead), or at best as roadbumps to be driven over on the path towards the future.
The fact that so many people look around at their neighbors and see so many of them as just useless wastes of space is one of the most effective ways that those in power maintain that power. Keeping those lower than them squabbling among each other so they can't effectively organize against the people on top.
I'm not going to argue for some full overthrow of the concept of capitalism, but there is clearly a hell of a lot wrong. A lot of rot up at the top. Willingly and intentionally saying "but those people are so backwards that I could never work with them" is just a disgustingly elitist concept.
Go and punch the actual nazis. Call out "nazi bar" situations. People who literally want you and yours dead? Fire at will.
But those are levels of hatred that are far rarer than people pretend they are. Most people just want to get on with their day, and a lot of people against certain groups fold very quickly when someone they love turns out say, homosexual. That's not hypocrisy. It's an opportunity to help someone reflect on their biases. We all have them, stop putting yourself up on such a pedestal.
I've rambled enough, but I'll throw this in as a bonus:
The "rural flyover states" have been done so fucking bad by the federal government, by their local politicians, and by corporations for so fucking long that I can't help but see punching down every time someone starts in on the bullshit about "those stupid people out in rural areas". They deal with a lot of similar issues to poor urban areas, and the attitude of the entire fucking world in calling impovershed areas "the global south" should give us all pause, especially when these areas of the US are in no way limited to the former confederate states.
I was born in one of those states. My wife is from one of those counties in a larger state. We're both happy as hell to be out, but seeing what goes on there on a regular basis is terrible.
People talk about tent cities and rising amounts of homeless in major cities. No one talks about the towns that have had every industry pull out over the last 50 years and the homeless and drug abuse problems in them that are only exacerbated by there being literally no homeless shelters or clinics for 30 miles with almost entirely barren highway in between the few pockets of dying towns.
False dichotomy. I never said I'd start the fire. I said if they died I'd feel nothing, not that I want to go out and start killing them.
I fucking live in the rural areas myself and I'm surrounded by mostly contemptible people. I'm not "drinking" anything.
And I can ignore them because there is nothing realistic that I can do about them with out suffering the absolutely massive waste of my finite time alive interacting with them trying to "turn" a small percentage of them less evil.
But you're right it doesn't have to be me. Could I go that route? Sure, but there isn't much in the way of ROI and I don't owe these people shit. I also can't endorse anyone else do so in my stead though either. I don't think I could with a straight face tell people to waste their own time if I can't justify myself doing it.
I mean, technically rural areas are going to slowly and naturally disintegrate economically. Which is good, but its not going to happen fast enough to meaningfully fix the problem in a time frame that matters to me. As for "outvoting", dude I'm really blackpilled on political engagement after Trump won a second time I don't even want to talk about voting anymore. I think we're all getting what we deserve. A very loud part of my mind is extremely vindictive and wants almost all of US voters to suffer even if it includes me at this point. In so far as is possible: we deserve it.
I'm not even concerned with the world's future. We lost. I'm just trying to salvage whats left of my life after wasting so much of my time, mind, and body on politics. The only reason I'm still engaging with it on Lemmy still is because I'm at work with nothing else to do. The only reason I still engage with it elsewhere is algorithmic influence. I'm outside of this actively trying to escape politics as much as feasibly possible. I'm putting effort into me and my loved ones now to survive and thrive in the upcoming slow grind collapse. That's it.
You know, when I was younger growing up in mostly rural areas, I thought I was a worthless fucking idiot weirdo. I thought all my peers around me had their shit together and understood the world better than me. My peers noticed this and early life for me was fairly awful as a result. Redneck dipshit bullies that TBH I probably would smile at their death if I had learned of now-a-days but back then I thought I deserved it. I thought I was a loser and I just needed to keep my head down. I thought everyone else around me was more competent and put together. I believed this so firmly that I barely engaged with employment early on in my life as I thought the only way for me would be faking my abilities. I ended up barely getting a college degree which I also thought was a fluke. Hoping that just having the degree would "trick" an employer into hiring me for some decent paying but easy office job. Every interview I was a shaking insecure mess and I was stuck for a long time in that state we call "NEET".
Then I finally got a job and I finally started working and realized that holy shit: the people around me are actually moronic. I excelled in my job. Constant remarks from people in disbelief at my performance reviews. I literally had a performance evaluator tell me they had never seen anyone manipulate the UI the way that I did in the 7 years they worked there. At first I felt a blip of pride. Yet later I felt nothing but utter and total horror at this revelation. Not smug satisfaction. Not relief that I was actually smarter than I thought. Pride drained away. Just horror remained. Terror. Shock. Despair. And now bitter anger that I had wasted so much time thinking I was an idiot but that actually I was surrounded by people so stupid they barely managed to do the bare minimum of their jobs, but kept them because they were the bosses nephew or a good christian or vapidly likable or some similar shit. No one fucking tries.
I tell that story because the 2024 re-election of Donald Trump felt like that moment of horror in my life but a million times over. I had spent an absurd amount of time and energy on politics for about 15-20 years because I thought that people were capable of getting better because we lived in an age of abundant information. I joined organizations, I canvassed for Harris, I engaged with my rightwing family members and annoyed my boss and co-workers (risking my job). I hoped people were getting smarter about their own self interest and would start voting in ways that reflect that and but we needed to just dodge a second Trump term. I now feel like I've wasted my life on this. Time and effort I could have spent fortifying my own personal situation because most people are so painfully self destructive and stupid they act as a vortex and will drag you down into them if you let them. And I have been doing that. I'm done doing that.
These people do not deserve another ounce of my respect or time. I've spent too much of my life humbling myself and they almost never returned the favor. FUCK THEM. I'm getting out if it fucking kills me, and it will. No one is going to make it, but I'm going to make sure that on my ride towards the grave I enjoy my remaining chunk of life as much as feasibly possible and giving up on trying to help people who would never do the same for me.
So no, I hope rural communities crumble and everyone is forced to move into cities. People become sociopaths or religious idiots living out so spread out. Let it rot.
That's why they narrowed it to evangelical Christians. There is still your argument that they will try to convert you first, but boy if you don't, it's the same hate. I'd say the leftist hate is at least honest and doesn't try to camouflage it with "love the sinner" lies and cherrypicking from a guide book.
Leftists cherry pick from holy scripture aka. theory ad nauseam to build arguments to support any inhumane action.
The Christian „love the sinner“, „love your enemies“ is different. There you only need to profess your faith to be accepted in the community. Then afterwards the reeducation/indoctrination/conversion happens over time.
With tankies you go to gulag/reeducation/indoctrination first, and if you survive that you can maybe become a comrade. You will never join the party though. You remain irredeemable and a suspect counterrevolutionary.
You mean, the paper that was inked to "allow" divorce & execution of a certain Anglo king's wives, or the "original" low-effort patchwork plagiarism of any/all folklore the ruling class could scrape together? Either way, that's some ironclad foundational document, there. 😝🤌🏼