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On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”

Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.

Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”

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[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

@jordanlund@lemmy.world hey, so now that it’s a criminal offense, is .world going to force mods to remove any dissent?

[–] sudo@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

.world already operates like it's run by fascists so it wouldn't be a stretch. Just reddit 2.0 with the mods wills dictating discourse across its communities.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 2 points 15 hours ago

I just wanted to hear Jordan not answer a direct question like the wimp he is

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Dunno, our server is in Finland so it's up to the Admins.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Will you moderate anti-fascist comments if the admins say that anything anti-fascist must be moderated?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I can't address a hypothetical like that.

I can say that the Admins I know aren't inclined to go along with anything Trump says, and the guidance they operate under isn't American.

I've also stated before that Trump's noise about Antifa is just that, noise. There's no group to go after and it's likely just his attempt to go after "their" imaginary funding, specifically the tinfoil hat allegations against George Soros. I expect that angle from Trump any day now.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/soros-conspiracy-theories-and-protests-gateway-antisemitism

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You are not able to say whether or not you would support fascism or not support fascism because the idea of choosing between the two makes you feel uncomfortable in a hypothetical situation that is not so hypothetical that it could not actually happen in the near future?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -5 points 19 hours ago

I'm saying my opinion in an extemely unlikely hypothetical is irrelevant.

The Admins aren't likely to side with Trump, and legally, they have no requirement to side with Trump. If they do, my opinion will be based on how they do it, not a "what if?"

I've quit platforms over lesser things, Fark->Digg->Reddit, but I'm not going to engage in hypotheticals.