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Sorry I'm depressed af and need answers. Are y'all even real? What if y'all are just part of the program to torture me? What if this is a test? What if this is a VR simulation and the societal collapse is just moral character test to see if I would be do anything about it? Like imaginr a society in the far future like 26th century and in a history class where people are wondering "why didn't the 21st century humans rise up against their oppressors" and then this VR simulation is just testing the students "what would you have done"

(Sorry for the bizzare question, its just brain chemicals acting weird today :P)

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Idk man, I mean like not exactly a "Truman Show", but more like a target of Zersetzung, Stasi loved torturing dissidents by trying break their friendships, they would hide surveillance inside people's homes, even go as far as rearranging household items to gaslight them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

I'm a dissident both to the PRC and USA's current admin, its not unthinkable that I'm a victim of a new-modern day Zersetzung

As applied by the Stasi, Zersetzung is a technique to subvert and undermine an opponent. The aim was to disrupt the target's private or family life so they are unable to continue their "hostile-negative" activities towards the state. Typically, the Stasi would use collaborators to garner details from a victim's private life. They would then devise a strategy to "disintegrate" the target's personal circumstances—their career, their relationship with their spouse, their reputation in the community. They would even seek to alienate them from their children. [...] The security service's goal was to use Zersetzung to "switch off" regime opponents. After months and even years of Zersetzung a victim's domestic problems grew so large, so debilitating, and so psychologically burdensome that they would lose the will to struggle against the East German state. Best of all, the Stasi's role in the victim's personal misfortunes remained tantalisingly hidden. The Stasi operations were carried out in complete operational secrecy. The service acted like an unseen and malevolent god, manipulating the destinies of its victims.

It was in the mid-1970 that Honecker's secret police began to employ these perfidious methods. At that moment the GDR was finally achieving international respectability. [...] Honecker's predecessor, Walter Ulbricht, was an old-fashioned Stalinist thug. He used open terror methods to subdue his post-war population: show trials, mass arrests, camps, torture and the secret police.

But two decades after east Germany had become a communist paradise of workers and peasants, most citizens were acquiescent. When a new group of dissidents began to protest against the regime, Honecker came to the conclusion that different tactics were needed. Mass terror was no longer appropriate and might damage the GDR's international reputation. A cleverer strategy was called for. [...] The most insidious aspect of Zersetzung is that its victims are almost invariably not believed.

Also, the UK undercover police got in relationships with dissidents to spy on them

(Just a theory tho, not too deeply serious about it, but its still terrifying to even entertain the thought of being a potential victim.)