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[–] coffee_nutcase207@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm a actually not that cynical of it. In her book she was critical of who the establishment in the Biden administration treated her.

Worse case is she's endorsing him to make her self look good. But honestly I think it's great she did endorse him. It will go a long way with causal/centrist democrats and centerist independents.

[–] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's kinda how I feel about corporations supporting good things. People will point out that they're only doing it for money or whatever, but I don't care. If they all start supporting and normalizing good things, I don't care that it started for dumb reasons.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I studied environmental sciences in school, so the metaphor I think of is that of indicator species, which provide information about the state of an ecosystem. For example, the presence of mayflies indicates good water quality, since poor water quality disrupts part of their lifecycle. Similarly, corporations supporting good things indicates that they feel it is profitable to do so. It indicates the state of public sentiment, and I don't see how that's anything but good news.

Same with Harris (indirectly) endorsing Mamdani: Maybe she's just bending with the wind, but it's good news because of the way the wind is blowing.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

good business just backs both sides, hence why media like Time will release editions with "conservative"/democrat leaning cover-arts, for specific parts of the country.

anything and everything to keep people inside their bubbles

[–] interdimensional_sharts@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I disagree. Does only the end goal matter? Or does intention also matter?

I would argue that intent is actually more important in the long run. I could perform an act today that helps people, but if my intent wasn’t to help people, then the act will be singular. There will be no “drive” toward greater acts that help even more people. No continuous improvement. No learning from mistakes and growing. Why? Because if I don’t actually care about helping people, none of that background stuff is happening which actually moves you toward your goals in the long run

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would rather you do one act today that helps people for completely selfish reasons and never again, than have you do zero acts that help people.

[–] interdimensional_sharts@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What is the intent in each case? I perform one act today with selfish intent that happens to help someone, but what about tomorrow? Or the next day? Am I improving on the act to see if I can help more people tomorrow? Not with selfish intent I’m not.

Today I tried with good intention to help someone. It doesn’t work. But, my true intent is to help- so I learn from my mistake today because I genuinely care, and tomorrow I now help one person with my act. I continue to improve and grow as a person, and over the next few years, I am helping out many others and bringing joy into the lives of those around me, inspiring others to also live their lives with good intention, creating a ripple effect.

I believe that is much more important than any kind of selfish intent, no matter how much the selfish act happened to help today.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Intent matters but it's not more important than the act itself.

Person A does a helpful act today for selfish reasons. Person B wants to help people but wants to make sure they are helping in the right way, so they don't do anything today while they try to figure out the best way to do it. Tomorrow they both get hit by a bus.

What's more important? That Person B had good intentions, or that Person A actually fucking helped someone?

[–] interdimensional_sharts@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Long term growth vs short term gain. Person B reflects and realizes they spent the day trying to be perfect, since they have good intention, and thus will reflect on their actions in an effort to improve. Next day they stop trying to be perfect and instead act.

Of course, both getting hit by a bus tomorrow makes my argument null, since it’s predicated on long term growth over short term gain. But most people aren’t getting hit by a bus tomorrow.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Person B reflects and realizes they spent the day trying to be perfect, since they have good intention, and thus will reflect on their actions in an effort to improve.

Do they? You invented a lot there about someone you don't know.

Person B continues to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. They keep getting overwhelmed by options and never end up helping anybody.

Person A helped in order to get recognition at work. It worked and helped give that extra push that got them promoted. They continue to do this on a yearly basis despite not liking it because it makes them look good to their employer.

It can go either way, someone helping for selfish reasons might be the start of them helping for genuine reasons or might be the last time they help at all. You can't know. I'll still gladly take someone helping for selfish reasons than them not helping at all.

Would it be better if they had good intentions? Of course! But it would also be worse if they didn't act at all.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Depends on the company, for the most part i'm with you, but if say Monsanto and Phillip Moris are backing things, it makes you ponder what you don't know and if it's a bad thing.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

shes probably still looking for political career somewhere in the future, just not now.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago

I'm taking the broad position that last-minute endorsements of Mamdani are just saving face for the establishment. That window closes in mid-October or so.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Worse case is she's going to insincerely try to take on the appearance of a progressive

But she's just one of many figures being groomed to do this, so hopefully it just helps cement Mumdani as the spiritual leader of the party

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Worst case is he made a bunch of centrist concessions to get her on board, leaving him as just another establishment dem.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago

No shot...He has nothing to gain there, he's leading by massive numbers and his eyes aren't empty and soulless

But that would put out the last spark of hope within me if it did happen

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nobody believes her, just like nobody believes Hilary. The constant fence-hopping goes beyond someone learning new information and switching stances, its pure opportunism, and thus not genuine.

And honestly, her endorsing him is more a disservice in my eyes than helping him. She's performed poorly and make others think that Mumdani is not genuine by association.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The difference between her and Hilary is that Harris is an avatar of the party, Hilary was (and still is to a lesser extent) a major player in the party

Harris is just like Biden... Her position is the party line. So if Harris is endorsing Mumdani, that signals some faction of the party might be finally waking up and realizing progressives are going to sweep the next election

As for the endorsement itself...I don't think it dings Mumdani in any way. If anything, I think it just makes him look stronger, because he hasn't budged an inch and the Democratic establishment is slowly coming to him

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

she and hochul are probably supporting him, to prevent too much support, takeover of the party from more progressive candidates, basically placating progressive to not do anything drastic.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

With what leverage? Mumdani wins with zero support, a pattern that is repeating across the country with every new election

I'm sure they have the worst of intentions, but reality favors us. When they capitulate to our boy, they flirt with reality. And reality is left leaning