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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's just Android. You're as subject to this as anyone else is, if not moreso.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is an a degoogled by default open source Android fork. I am writing this on a Pixel tablet running GrapheneOS with zero Google software sources on it. Google Play has no power here, and is running sandboxed if you choose to install it.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One day you'll wake up to the news that Graphene is ending support at a certain Android version because they can't get sources.

Your privacy depends on Google allowing Android to be open. It isn't anyone's decision but theirs.

It ain't today. Relax.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

Obviously Google can stop releasing upstream sources and they could also prevent bootloader unlocking on Pixels, which would limit GOS to legacy support, unless somebody can maintain an Android fork and also a sufficiently open and secure hardware base. Which is a major effort.

The alternative is to move to a mobile Linux or just Linux on a WLAN tablet or other portable device. With a MiFi router or a tethered phone.

If that is not an option, I will rise up from the comfort of my couch and go back to using Linux desktops. Which I never stopped doing.

If that's not an option, there are still books.

[–] limerod@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago

Yeah, if devs stop developing apps for android. It won't matter if you use android without play services.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No. It's removed downstream. Anyone with a degoogled Android phone is not subject to this.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I agree, and I'm very much for an open Android fork. I think it is a path of less resistance than trying to hammer Linux's spherical bod into a square hole

I have a Oneplus 6T. Linux phones feel like laptops, behave like laptops, and the apps? They're the same, nothing is made with vertical orientations in mind, and almost nothing you need for a phone is available outside of scant outliers.

Even with being a complete music pirate with complete, Jafar-levels of control over my collection, I had access to two abandoned subsonic apps, Clementine(vertical, riiiight) and Jellyfin.

Jellyfin on a desktop loads every image every single time it loads, and it does the same on mobile Linux, because it's the same app. On Android, it caches everything and sleeps itself.

Multiply that by, every app you use.

That's our workload for Mobile Linux.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We already have it. When you install an Android OS it doesn't include google by default It requires additional work to get the gapps spyware