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I’m sick of the police getting involved and actually acting when no explicit law has been violated. If a law isn’t violated, they should never ever put their hands on a citizen in any way. Detaining someone without actually arresting them should result in immediate firing of the police. If you can’t press charges, you shouldn’t act.
Sounds like they created the violation in this case. They threatened arrest for disturbing the peace if he didn't comply and remove himself from the train. They are always able to manufacturer reason for detainment and threatening arrest.
That'd require them to be educated about the law but it seems awfully convenient to keep them ignorant of it.
But then how could they arrest you for resisting arrest?
You watch the video? - They said to him stop resisting even though they hadn't placed him under arrest. Cops abuse their power all the time. I am saying they have no right to handcuff you or even touch you or order you off a train unless you committed an actual crime that they can place you under arrest for. You shouldn't be forced to leave a train like this if you haven't broken any kind of standing law.
The police are now trained to say “stop resisting” for their body cameras, which provides the pretext for additional charges. They throw as many charges as they possibly can hoping one or two stick if it gets plead down.
I haven’t watched the video but I totally agree that it’s inappropriate to order him off the train in this instance. They can conduct their criminal investigation right there. The fact that these incidents are allowed to get to the police is the frightening part; that people who reported him need to go to jail, and the conductor should be at a minimum investigated.
they frame evidence all the time, either by making it up, or trying to use it as an excuse to escalate. i suspect the latter.
So cops shouldnt be called when drunks and racists on planes get start yelling and delaying flights?
Like that Burger King guy? Cops just shouldn't have been called? Do Americans just not understand egalitarianism any more? You're all deranged.
Everyone gets the same rules, transport companies can kick you off, or get the police to detain-you-off the plane/train.
There's literally thousands of videos of people being thrown of public transport, it happens EVERYDAY whenever anyone refuses to obey the rules.
Fucken, Americans are mentally ill, I swear. This shit is obvious in the rest of the world.
Drunk and Disorderly conduct is a crime. I didn’t say cops can’t be called - I said unless they are arresting you to charge you with a crime they shouldn’t be able to detain you, remove you from a train, or claim you are resisting. This ensures they are only intervening when an actual crime was committed. It puts them in a position to have to defend their initial arrest in court and not just harass people and get away with it because they didn’t technically arrest them - which is the case here. Assuming from your statement you aren’t from America so you don’t know how much police harass people outside of actual arrests here. They will ask you to comply without an arrest to whatever unreasonable demand they make. Then, if you don’t comply with something unreasonable, they will claim you were resisting, and then charge you with resisting. It’s designed to create a charge where there was none to begin with. Police do that all the time over here, especially to minorities.
Not what happened here though. He was taken off the train, released and told to get the next train.
What exactly was the reasoning for taking him off the train that justifies it? Because an old woman didn’t like the way he was sitting? That is the only justification listed anywhere. Is that the only standard necessary to remove this man from his paid for train ride, not to mention police harassing him? Why is his much greater discomfort less important than that ladies? Why does that random old lady get to dictate anything? Why does the train conductor have no responsibility to this other paid customer - he just stops the train due to this old ladies discomfort that has no legal backing? I just can’t see a justification for the way this situation was handled.
He was refusing to obey the MTA rule of no feet on the seats:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/former-bear-writer-handcuffed-train-after-allegedcomplaint-white/story?id=125829965
Everyone's defending this asshole like crazy. Y'all are mental. Broke ass nation.
Yeah, we're so broken and mental for being against this kind bullshit police intervention given our recent history of black men being murdered by cops.
Why do I feel like your opinions would be different if these individual's positions were swapped?
Black MTA workers kick white passangers off trains and call the cops if they're refusing to obey the rules - literally every day.
If a white guy has his feet on the seats, and an old black man or woman comes and gets the black MTA worker to step in - and the white guy STILL refuses to sit up properly - the MTA worker is put in the position of saying *"okay the rules don't apply to this one guy, you can refuse the rules, they're meaningless" * or getting physically involved (which they're not supposed to do), so the only resort if the passanger is still REFUSING the rules to the MTA worker's face is to call the cops.
They're low paid MTA workers, not bouncers at a KKK meeting. This shit goes down regularly this way, it's just most of the time a "celebrity" isn't involved. Some drunk asshole is.
Edit: Here's a white MTA worker dragging a white guy off a train. Beligerent customers are an everyday thing. That's how the public are. MTA worker punched in the face, after asking someone to get off the train.... MTA worker sucker-punched at random.
Maybe because it should've been a matter for whatever passes for transport authority or the conductor/inspector and not the police.
Being an asshole isn't a crime ya know...
The conductor was looking the other way, the old lady made the conductor intervene, Okeefe CONTINUED to refuse.
So it was the MTA dealing with it, and Okeefe CONTINUED to refuse. Continued his personal stouch with the lady.
Well, the rules apply to all MTA passangers. MTA trains serve thousands of people each day, the MTA worker wasn't picking him out. The conductor was leaving him alone until the old lady brought the conductor in, AND OKEEFE CONTINUED TO REFUSE.
So "Racist MTA" doesn't work as a theory. It doesn't fit the facts of what happened.
Also, the video shows them saying “stop resisting.” They were attempting to do just what I said, but a lot of people started recording, and this guy started saying how famous he was so the police thought better of it. Without the bystander cameras and the fame of the person involved it likely would’ve been handled much different.
That’s what they’re saying. They’re saying that the police should need more than just the bare minimum investigation of a potential crime to remove you from transit. You’re saying that he was released as if the only two options were not taking him off the train and jailing him indefinitely.
You resorting to ad hominem insteading of sticking to the facts and the arguments paints you in bad faith.
If you want upvotes next time, maybe don't do that.
I don't care about imaginary Internet points... And I've linked and quoted multiple articles. People don't care for the facts, they're stuck in political perspectives
People don't read on Lemmy, yes.
You should know this if you post evidence.
If you EXPLAIN your evidence, and point out specific inconsistentencies with the majority's beliefs, then that'll fly further than shutting shit down because you're pissed.
You want to do this fine, but I'm not here to argue about arguing. You can argue with people your way if you want.