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Interesting how this seems to happen every single time there's a large gathering of Republicans.

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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 202 points 2 days ago (10 children)

You don't understand, they aren't gay, they are just men having sex with other men!

[–] RaoulDuke85@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They’re just making sure they AREN’T gay by having sex with other men.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

"How do you know you don't like fucking men? Have you tried it? I know I'm super duper straight because I fuck a guy every week just to make sure I still don't like it."

Watching them process that is wild.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

"I was only in there to get directions on how to get away from there!"

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ain’t nuffin gay about gettin yer dick sucked! Thems the ones thatter gay for suckin em!

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its not gay if its a girl's dick.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Technically, yeah

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

In the wisdom of the ancient Greeks, you're only gay if you're a bottom

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

And only if you're older than your top. Otherwise, you're simply receiving some masculinity.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So if you're a switch you're fine? (That's the term for someone who switches between top and bottom right?)

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

In addition to the other informative answers, the "serious" reply to the first question would be "no, not really". I'll summon up a "Tales of Time Forgotten" blog post on the matter, as best as I understand it, with the recommendation to read the original if you can.

The difficulty with understanding Ancient Greek sexuality from our modern perspective is that they didn't strictly think in two genders so much as a scale of masculinity, or something close to it. Accordingly, sexuality wasn't thought of in terms of hetero- or homo-, but as an act of the less masculine party receiving the more masculine one. The expectation then was that your role and choice of partners would evolve throughout our life and progress along the expected social hierarchy.

An adolescent boy in his mid-to-late-teens (~14-18) was expected to be courted by young men (in their twenties) and eventually choose a lover (although suitors did have to work for it and being "easy" was shameful).

It's worth noting that there was a distinction between (adolescent) boys/girls and children, which were off limits. Obviously, adolescents are still vulnerable and the whole thing is still messed up by most modern western standards. "Not quite as bad" is still bad.

Eventually, they'd reach adulthood and thus become (young) men themselves and were expected to strive and even compete for the affections of boys.

In their late twenties to early thirties, men were expected to proceed to mature adulthood, losing interest in boys and seeking a girl to marry instead (with much of the same expectations as before, though arrangement of marriages typically gave girls much less choice).

Any significant deviation from that expected course would, of course, be considered shameful. There might have been some leeway on the age brackets, but the "direction" of the age dynamic was quite firm, and men seeking out or receiving other men was seen as unnatural and effeminate.

Female sexuality is much less well-attested, just as women in general are less "visible" in most sources, and somewhat contradictory. On one hand, Sappho of Lesbos achieved quite a reputation, but she was writing ~500 BCE. On the other, some sources written in the first and second century CE strongly condemn it. One woman is criticised for loving boys, which would fit with the expectation that both women and boys were to "receive" men.

This might have been a shift over time, but the scarcity of evidence makes it hard to pin it to that cause alone.

On the whole, it's pretty clear that a male vers would not have been "fine" by any standard. Men were to be tops, boys to be bottoms and mature adults were to be interested in girls and women alone.

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That would be vers or versatile.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Love that the two of you answered this at the same exact minute

What's a switch then, or am i just hallucinating new terms here?

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Switch is going between Dom and sub. Like being Dom top to sub top or sub bottom to Dom bottom.

Typically a Dom bottom is called a power bottom and a Dom top could call himself a Dom top or power top.

[–] degen@midwest.social 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Technically it's dom and sub, but colloquially it's kinda both, yeah. Pretty sure they'd consider a switch a bottom tho, like a top is a never-bottom and getting pegged is also gay?

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Vers is someone who both tops and bottoms.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Love that the two of you answered this at the same exact minute

What's a switch then, or am i just hallucinating new terms here?

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Like degen said, switch is if you do both dom and sub.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I'd argue they had it backwards, bottoming isn't gay, it's just having a fun experience. Penetrating another man is super gay though.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They just like to suck other non-gay men's cocks.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago
[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

They are imposing their dominance on weaker men. It's not gay, it's purely about dominance

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

They're called "brojobs" for a reason.

[–] tmyakal 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your problem, Henry, is that you are hung up on words, on labels: "gay", "homosexual", "lesbian." You think they tell you who a person sleeps with, but they don't tell you that. Like all labels, they refer to one thing and one thing only: Where does a person so identified fit in the food chain? In the pecking order. Not ideology or sexual taste, but something much simpler: clout. Who owes me favors. Not who I fuck or who fucks me, but who will pick up the phone when I call. To someone who doesn't understand this, homosexual is what I am because I sleep with men, but this is wrong. Homosexuals are not men who sleep with other men. Homosexuals are men who, in 15 years of trying, can't get a pissant anti-discrimination bill through City Council. They are men who know nobody, and who nobody knows. Now, Henry, does that sound like me?

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Henry, the only label I need is Sexual Libertarian. An omnivore of genitals and hearts. Come as you are... All over the place. And so will I. Does that sound enticing, Henry?"

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wtf is this from, it sounds like a fandom I need to join immediately

[–] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Roy Cohn https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Angels_in_America and there's more context to the quotes, generally the context is realpolitik, power for power's sake. A real asshole you wouldn't want to play Diplomacy with. Someone with no ethics but winning. The subject of a run the jewels song. ~~Family~~ Famously Donnie T's never admit you lost coach. The message is alluring if taken at face value, and seems like wisdom, but if you get taken advantage of was it really you who was weak?

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh I thought it might have been like a TV show or something

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Angels in America is a play and was made into some made for TV movies, yes. I don’t think Roy Cohn the man ever said that, although he was gay and it matched his attitudes.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

I had no idea - my add-on comment was just what came to mind as would fit in well. Not shocked to learn it's about Roy Cohn, though, the "I'm gay, but I exist in a plane of wealthy predator above normies that worry about their sexuality as a label because I'm allowed to participate in society however I want" vibe was strong. I figured it was Peter Thiel, so not far off.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Doesn't make them Gay necessarily, but it does make them at least Bi.

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

They're always complaining about the MSM too!