You wouldn't believe the amount of straight propaganda I have to filter out when crossposting from there, it's another reason I can't automate it. No way I could trust automation to sufficiently filter that crap out. Russian propaganda sites like RT always seems to crop up over there with odd urls like "swentir[dot]site"

Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So only if special users do it?.

Interesting philosophy to hate the tool while still using it and pulling others content from it.

Cool crusade you have there

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So only if special users do it?.

No idea what you mean on this

Interesting philosophy to hate the tool while still using it and pulling others content from it.

Code is code and isn't inherently poltical it was released as open source for those to do with what they please.

Cool crusade you have there

Thanks! Are you going to go make another thread on hex about it :) just wanna know if I should make up a batch of popcorn

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's okay to use when you or goat use it.

Code is code and isn't inherently poltical it was released as open source for those to do with what they please.

Which makes the crusade against devs odd.

Oh you go on hexbear.net? Thought they'd be hated by you! Didn't know you also enjoyed interactions with them based on love of goat comms

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Ah I see now, mere one way traffic doesn't contribute to an instance; voting, commenting and posting to its comms does, which I ofc don't do in any shape or form.

Which makes the crusade against devs odd.

Fundamental misunderstanding, my problem stems from the fact they run an instance in an official capacity and use it to push their authoritarian ideology. As covered (and documented here) in my spoiler above

Oh you go on hexbear.net? Thought they'd be hated by you!

Not really, did you know Lemmy actually has a really good search function? Leagues better than Reddits own. Oh they def do and I find it funny how often I come up over there on the Lemmy-version of 4chan though LMAO

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't but keep going on the crusade. Still seems odd to do anything with an instance you consider north Korean.

Yeah so official they wanted world to be the top so they weren't the official one...

People who associate with goat usually do

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

with an instance you consider north Korean.

I don't, not sure where you picked that up at. I consider it to be a Tankie instance through and through as defined by:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

I've seen all manner of authoritarian propaganda, from pro-DPRK "They're not a brutal dictatorship, it's just western propaganda!" To pro-Russia "Ukraine is full of Nazis and Russia is just trying to protect themselves from NATO!" To pro-CCP "Censorship is actually good!" All of which is documented on the megathread linked previously

Yeah so official they wanted world to be the top so they weren't the official one...

If they didn't want, they could've ran lemmy.ml from alt accounts so nobody would associate it with them. Then it would just be another triad instance and nobody would care. But as also covered in the spoiler you didn't read, they use this position to their advantage to push their authoritarianism further

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You called it one literally the start of the thread https://piefed.world/comment/1715340.

Why would they run what they consider the test instead with alt accounts?

And I don't trust anything posted on meanwhile on grad, or anything associated with goat so 🤷

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh lol yea I suppose I did, ig that's what happens when you do throwaway jokes 🤣

And I don't trust anything posted on meanwhile on grad

Hm, yea, whatever excuse you need to tell yourself to ignore evidence in front of your eyes. Not like most of what I've documented has direct link back to the source where possible or anything ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or just go to something out of context but what do I know

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

LMAO that doesn't even make sense, they're direct links, they'll take you to the source thread if it exists. Which, for most of my documentation, it does. You can click that little "Show Context" button/link and read each thread for yourself and gain this mystical context you seek

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, because linking can never be out of context!

If only your crusade was also against lw considering they're okay with even worse transphobes

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah yes, because linking can never be out of context!

If you refuse to do even basic investigation into information you're being given to verify it's veracity, then how are you so sure the tankies you run with are giving you good info?

If only your crusade was also against lw considering they're okay with even worse transphobes

The LW admins aren't in the modlog nearly constantly like .ml admins. They crop up from time to time but only to do deal with blatant spam, advertisers, instance wide rule breaking in abandoned comms, excessive troll/misinformation spreading accounts etc. They aren't pushing a particular ideology, narrative or political agenda. Unlike on .ml.
I regularly see them site-banning accounts for transphobia nor have a noticed a transphobia problem, troll crop up and are dealt with accordingly. Also - See Nutomics transphobia here and part 2 here

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I see lw more often banning or removing than ml, usually ml only does temp while world does permanent, and for ml it's users going in specially to get banned.

One of lw top mods is currently doing transphobia and may or may not get any response from the admins

https://lemmy.world/post/36059687

Nutomics is a complete ass but I thought code was code?

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I see lw more often banning or removing than ml, usually ml only does temp while world does permanent

For one, LW is 3x the size of .ml, naturally there are going to be more actions taken compared to .ml. it's equivalent to people complaining about how "crime is so much worse in NYC then [Some Small Town]".

Two, on .world moderators mod and admins admin, as it should be. By the time a .world admin is issuing something down it's because a particular user has already been problematic in individual comms and getting temp bans already OR it's a user spamming, posting ads or other harmful content (e.g. propaganda, misinformation (and even then, they let it go for a while longer than they should IMO))

Three, there's no pattern of abuse to push a particular agenda, as I have demonstrated with .ml admins. At worst, you can drum up some poor decisions

One of lw top mods is currently doing transphobia and may or may not get any response from the admins

https://lemmy.world/post/36059687

Absolutely problematic, Jordanlund should be removed. That being said JL is a mod, not an admin at the end of the day.

It does not prove systemic abuse of a respected position of a leading instance to push an agenda, unlike what is proven with the .ml admins.

While it's been 5 days, the LW admins should be given the time needed. Remember, it's essentially a bunch of humans in volunteer positions, it's not full time employment and removing such an integrated mod with large comms is no trivial task

They have acknowledged they are investigating and will take action.

Nutomics is a complete ass but I thought code was code?

I didn't say anything about the code, Nutomic is an admin on .ml just as much as the rest of them

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So far it's according to you it's okay for lw to be worse because it's larger, but ml is still the lead instance even though they said it shouldn't be and while they haven't done anything about jl the entire time it's okay?

And still according to you ml is the NK instance but still not bad enough to manually mirror content for reasons even though it's just the NK tankie instance.

This is just one of many awful mods lw has which hasn't been doing anything about they just seem to leave once called out or allowed to continue because reasons. See flying squid and news massive admitted zionists mods.

We're over a week in to their supposed investigation and the only place they've said anything about it is db0 not the initial post show casing jls awful behavior to users.

I didn't say anything about the code, Nutomic is an admin on .ml just as much as the rest of them

You did again in this thread on why it was okay in your mind to use said NK instance material, again odd considering how much you seem to hate said devs but 🤷, I'm not the one on a crusade to get people off not the largest instance just the test one for reasons

[–] cm0002@piefed.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So far it's according to you it's okay for lw to be worse because it's larger, but ml is still the lead instance even though they said it shouldn't be and while they haven't done anything about jl the entire time it's okay?

You misunderstood completely, or more likely, twisting words to suit your narrative. It's not worse, because there is no systemic pattern of abuse by the admins to push an agenda. As has been demonstrated with the .ml admins

LW admins don't have the credentials that .ml admins do of being the devs. LW is the largest and should be held to a certain standard. Being the admins of .ml and main Lemmy devs holds them to an even higher standard. Average people will go "Lemmy.ml? Oh it's an instance run by the developers themselves?" and forever have the association that lemmy.ml IS Lemmy therefore their harmful authoritarianism gets associated with all of Lemmy.

Even more insidious, quite a few instances that defederate from 2/3rds of the Triad don't hold the same to .ml for many reason among them fear of retaliation.

And still according to you ml is the NK instance but still not bad enough to manually mirror content for reasons even though it's just the NK tankie instance.

I already admitted it to being a throwaway joke, if you can't get over that oh well ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ They're a Tankie instance instance through and through as per the wikipedia entry posted above.

This is just one of many awful mods lw has which hasn't been doing anything about they just seem to leave once called out or allowed to continue because reasons. See flying squid and news massive admitted zionists mods.

Wherever you stand on FS, he hasn't been a factor for Months now. As for these other "Zionist mods" where's the receipts?

We're over a week in to their supposed investigation and the only place they've said anything about it is db0 not the initial post show casing jls awful behavior to users.

Again. LW, like nearly every other instance, is run by volunteers and donations. 5-10 business days for any business/paid service to make a major decision is what most people come to expect. And you want to hold people running a non-profit volunteer driven instance run in spare time to an even faster timeline than businesses are? That's asinine.

You did again in this thread on why it was okay in your mind to use said NK instance material, again odd considering how much you seem to hate said devs but 🤷, I'm not the one on a crusade to get people off not the largest instance just the test one for reasons

Twisitng words again, you said "There's a transphobia problem eith LW" I said "Not really because of my observations, but .ml does having an actual transphobe on the admin team here's the receipts" then you went "I thought code was code!" At which point I clarified, "he's on the admin team and that is what I was referring to and nothing about his code contributions"

And then here we are with you attempting to twist words to suit your narrative

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago

Oh cool, it's just a joke saying it's the NK instance. Which no you didn't you still tried to play off wasn't said. But also on a crusade to crush it? Weird coincidence there.

I brought up flying squid as like all the troublesome mods left on their own not removed after numerous issues.

Right it's only been years jl has been like this, totally fair to let the admins continue to leave them there even though are more authoritarian than ml.

Twisitng words again, you said "There's a transphobia problem eith LW" I said "Not really because of my observations, but .ml does having an actual transphobe on the admin team here's the receipts" then you went "I thought code was code!" At which point I clarified, "he's on the admin team and that is what I was referring to and nothing about his code contributions"

No this is me pointing out the same similarities others have while also using your own words for why it's okay for you to use it to siphon content, even though it's from that dirty tankie place.

It's just fun watching the logic here trying to go all in on both hating lemmy devs but using lemmy. Massive conundrum

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

How about "israel", saudi arabia, etc.?